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Bad Cop, Bad Cop

kurtz

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U.S. cop on shooting rampage kills 5

DOVER TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) — A veteran police officer remained on the loose early today after he allegedly gunned down five of his neighbors, then drove to a nearby town and shot his boss.

Edward Lutes, a Seaside Heights police officer for 15 years, fled in a 1995 Buick Regal after the shootings and was believed to still be armed, said Dover Township Police Chief Michael Mastronardy.

The first shootings occurred late Tuesday in Lutes' neighborhood in Dover Township, a New Jersey shore community that is still reeling from a February rampage in which a retired police officer allegedly killed four people.

The five slain neighbours included two people who were next door and three who were in a house across the street.

Lutes later went to nearby Barnegat Township and shot Seaside Heights Police Chief James Costello, Mastronardy said. He was hospitalized in stable condition at Jersey Shore Medical Center in Neptune.

Another person was injured and taken to Community Medical Center in Toms River. It was not immediately known where the victim was at the time of the shooting.

Mastronardy and Assistant Ocean County Prosecutor Gregory Sakowicz could not give a motive for the shootings.

When asked if Lutes might be going after other targets, Mastronardy said all precautions have been taken for anyone who could be threatened.

Doug Mayday, 37, who also lives in Lutes' neighborhood, said he was driving when a police officer in riot gear ran out of bushes and waved him through. He also saw police with rifles drawn in the vicinity of the shooting.

The initial shootings happened about a mile from the street where John E. Mabie allegedly killed his granddaughter and three neighbors on Feb. 21 as he went from house to house shooting a .39-caliber revolver.

"It's just a sad time for the community," Mastronardy said.
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Let's talk Gun Control...

Amendment II

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Conservative right-wingers love strict interpretations of their beloved Constitution, but they always ignore the words "Regulated militia" and they fail to put into context what the founding fathers meant when they created such a law.
It seems that the US was revolutionary in 1776, but since then they are just regurgitating past ideals into their ever growing nation. Instead of seeking what they (the founding fathers) sought they are merely living in past conventions.

Also, US gun culture can never understand the logic of making all hand guns illegal. Being, everyone gains the right of safety; by taking away (essential??) the right to ownership of assault weapons....
Besides how can you call a society enlightened or even civilized when there is a gun for every man, women, and child in your country?

But I guess that's the beauty of living in a social-darwin's capitalist nightmare :D
 

Rosey

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this was on the radio this morning...can't tell you why cnn hasn't picked it up except that maybe they would be part of the axis of evil if they said bad things about americans.

kurtz do you realize that no matter how strict you make gun control, the police are still going to have them? the point here should be that if those people who were killed by the rampagin pig had owned guns, maybe they would still be alive.

in fact, i would call this incident a great example in favour of the need for a populace as well armed as the police.
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by poker face
how come this is not on cnn.com?
from cnn:
OCEAN COUNTY, New Jersey (CNN) -- New Jersey authorities have identified a body as that of a police officer suspected of going on a shooting spree Tuesday night in two Ocean County, New Jersey, townships that killed five people and wounded two others.

Ocean County prosecutor Greg Sackowicz said officials have positively identified the body as Edward Lutes, a 15-year veteran of the Seaside Heights Police Department. He appeared to have died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in a vehicle, Sackowicz said.

According to Dover Township Police Chief Michael Mastronardy, the body was that of Edward Lutes, a 15-year veteran of the Seaside Heights police department.

The shootings happened around 9:30 p.m. Tuesday. Two of the victims were discovered in a house behind Lutes' home, and three other victims were discovered in a house across the street from it. Police would not release their names.

A person was also wounded in the leg near Lutes' residence and was taken to a hospital.

Police believe that after the shootings in Dover Township, Lutes went to nearby Barnegat Township and shot Seaside Heights Police Chief James Costello three times at his home.

Barnegat Police Capt. Joseph Manger said Costello is in stable condition at Jersey Shore Medical Center.

Police would not speculate on a motive for any of the shootings.
 
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kurtz

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Originally posted by Rosey

kurtz do you realize that no matter how strict you make gun control, the police are still going to have them? the point here should be that if those people who were killed by the rampagin pig had owned guns, maybe they would still be alive.

in fact, i would call this incident a great example in favour of the need for a populace as well armed as the police.
I disagree. These incidents rarely occur with police officer acting as the shooter... and i would bet dollars to doughnuts that the weapon he used was one that he bought personally, not one that was issued from his local dept. Im sure he used a high calibre semi-automatic hand cannon opposed to the standard issue.
And the idea of combating reckless gun use with more guns is rather cyclic; not to mention one then expects these things to happen and therefore, acceptance.
 

Littlest Hobo

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Originally posted by Rosey
in fact, i would call this incident a great example in favour of the need for a populace as well armed as the police.
An armed society is a polite society? To a degree yes, look at Switzerland and Israel (non-refugee camp parts). But them again look at Afghanistan or a lot of Africa. Who knows?

That being said, I see no reason for non-violent, otherwise law abiding citizens from packing heat. If I were a women living by myself, I would probably get one anyways.
 

Subsonic Chronic

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From Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men:


If you're thinking of buying a handgun for protection, on the other hand (as opposed to a hunting rifle), let me give you a few statistics. A member of your family is 22 times more likely to die from gunfire if you have a gun in your house than if you don't.
The idea that having a gun is the only way to ensure "home protection" is a myth. Fewer than 1 out of 4 violent crimes is commited while the victim is at home. Among all the instances when guns are fired during a break-in while the owner is at home, in only 2 percent are guns used to shoot the intruder. The other 98% of the time, residents accidentally shoot a loved one or themselves - or the burglars take the gun and kill them with it.
italics are mine to provide context.

Pete
 

deep

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If instead of guns people could carry swords a lot of shit would be sorted out quick. You can't really do a drive by swording, and you'd actually have to have some skill to off someone, cause you can't really creep up on someone holding a viking broadsword. Plus, it would make it more socially acceptable to dress up like a ninja or wear a viking helmet every day and not just during role play sex.
 

Littlest Hobo

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Originally posted by Subsonic Chronic
From Michael Moore's book Stupid White Men:

italics are mine to provide context.

Pete [/B]
I wouldn't trust a statistic out of Michael Moore's book, just as I wouldn't trust a stat out of a Rush Limbaugh book. Throwing numbers around like that is misleading. Does he provide sources? Who funded the research? Give me the same data and I could show you something different, with some cunning arrangement of numbers.
 
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Littlest Hobo

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Originally posted by deep
Plus, it would make it more socially acceptable to dress up like a ninja or wear a viking helmet every day and not just during role play sex.
Ooh sleep! That's where I'm a viking! (or something I don't know...)
 

kyfe

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Originally posted by Littlest Hobo


I wouldn't trust a statistic out of Michael Moore's book, just as I wouldn't trust a stat out of a Rush Limbaugh book. Throwing numbers around like that is misleading. Does he provide sources? Who funded the research? Give me the same data and I could show you something different, with some cunning arrangement of numbers.
why not, do you think guns really serve any greater good?

Kyfe
 

Rosey

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Originally posted by deep
If instead of guns people could carry swords a lot of shit would be sorted out quick. You can't really do a drive by swording, and you'd actually have to have some skill to off someone, cause you can't really creep up on someone holding a viking broadsword. Plus, it would make it more socially acceptable to dress up like a ninja or wear a viking helmet every day and not just during role play sex.
i'd go for more of the plain trench coat/focused stare highlander look. :D
 

deep

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Originally posted by Rosey

i'd go for more of the plain trench coat/focused stare highlander look.
"Is that a sword in your trenchcoat or are you just going to eviscerate your entire colorado school?"
 

Littlest Hobo

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Originally posted by kyfe


why not, do you think guns really serve any greater good?

Kyfe
Yeah like protecting my loved ones, shooting dangerous and/or delicious animals and keeping the King of England out of my face.

:)

Actually, it's hard to discuss gun control without coming accross as a yahoo. In my world there are 2 types of people; crazy and not crazy. I believe the not crazy crew should do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else. Unfortunatelty, the not crazy crew are greatly outnumbered.
 
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Bumbaclat

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Originally posted by Littlest Hobo


I wouldn't trust a statistic out of Michael Moore's book, just as I wouldn't trust a stat out of a Rush Limbaugh book. Throwing numbers around like that is misleading. Does he provide sources? Who funded the research? Give me the same data and I could show you something different, with some cunning arrangement of numbers.

I agree Littlest Hobo. Some anti-gun group in the states was running ads claiming that you're 3 times more likely to shoot someone in your house (not 22). Either people have become 733% more reckless with their guns in the last 18 months.......OR there could be a discrepancy in the stat collection.

Bumbaclat
 
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