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Automated killer robots 'threat to humanity': expert

alexd

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And also assuming you're cool with investing in war machines.

I am not cool with it, and I've got nothing to invest in anything anyway. This is a private company it turns out and seems to get most of its funding in grants from the US defense department.
 
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lobo

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Here's an interesting question, what would you rather be chased down by:

1. Big Dog
2. T-800 terminator skeleton
3. That cheetah robot from the above link
4. Data from Star Trek

It's funny caused I'd rather something a little more human looking come after me vs some faceless looking creature. Guess we can throw in the robots from The Matrix as well.

Lobo
 
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Polymorph

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from what I've been reading of all this *transhuman/posthuman* theory, one of the great concerns right out of the gate is that this new biotechnology, some of which is already being applied, is not hackable, as much technology is.

But it appears the genie is already out of the bottle on all these counts
 

Bass-Invader

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I don't think these apocalyptic AI scenarios are necessarily wrong. They probably seem a bit bonkers because we are so far away from actual AI, but given the way we are automating everything (particular war machines), if it ever manifests we will be pretty much helpless to stop it.
 
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alexd

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Campaign to Stop Killer Robots

Fully autonomous weapons, already denounced as “killer robots”, should be banned by international treaty before they can be developed, a new report urges the United Nations .

Under existing laws, computer programmers, manufacturers and military commanders would all escape liability for deaths caused by such machines, according to the study published on Thursday by Human Rights Watch and Harvard Law School.

Nor is there likely to be any clear legal framework in future that would establish the responsibility of those involved in producing or operating advanced weapons systems, say the authors of Mind the Gap: The Lack of Accountability for Killer Robots.

The report is released ahead of an international meeting on lethal autonomous weapons systems at the UN in Geneva starting on 13 April. The session will discuss additions to the convention on certain conventional weapons.

Also known as the inhumane weapons convention, the treaty has been regularly reinforced by new protocols on emerging military technology. Blinding laser weapons were pre-emptively outlawed in 1995 and combatant nations since 2006 have been required to remove unexploded cluster bombs.

Military deployment of the current generation of drones is defended by the Ministry of Defence and other governments on the grounds that there is always a man or woman “in the loop”, ultimately deciding whether or not to trigger a missile.

Rapid technical progress towards the next stage of automation, in which weapons may select their own targets, has alarmed scientists and human rights campaigners.

“Fully autonomous weapons do not yet exist,” the report acknowledges. “But technology is moving in their direction, and precursors are already in use or development. For example, many countries use weapons defence systems – such as the Israeli Iron Dome and the US Phalanx and C-RAM – that are programmed to respond automatically to threats from incoming munitions.

“Prototypes exist for planes that could autonomously fly on intercontinental missions [the UK’s Taranis] or take off and land on an aircraft carrier [the US’s X-47B].

“The lack of meaningful human control places fully autonomous weapons in an ambiguous and troubling position. On the one hand, while traditional weapons are tools in the hands of human beings, fully autonomous weapons, once deployed, would make their own determinations about the use of lethal force.

“They would thus challenge longstanding notions of the role of arms in armed conflict, and for some legal analyses, they would be more akin to a human soldier than to an inanimate weapon. On the other hand, fully autonomous weapons would fall far short of being human.”

The report calls for a prohibition “on the development, production and use of fully autonomous weapons through an international legally binding” agreement, and urges states to adopt similar domestic laws.

The hurdles to accountability for the production and use of fully autonomous weapons under current law are monumental, the report states. “Weapons could not be held accountable for their conduct because they could not act with criminal intent, would fall outside the jurisdiction of international tribunals and could not be punished.

“Criminal liability would likely apply only in situations where humans specifically intended to use the robots to violate the law. In the United States at least, civil liability would be virtually impossible due to the immunity granted by law to the military and its contractors and the evidentiary obstacles to products liability suits.”

Bonnie Docherty, HRW’s senior arms division researcher and the report’s lead author, said: “No accountability means no deterrence of future crimes, no retribution for victims, no social condemnation of the responsible party. The many obstacles to justice for potential victims show why we urgently need to ban fully autonomous weapons.”

• Human Rights Watch is a co-founder of the Campaign to Stop Killer Robots, which is supported by more than 50 NGOs and supports a preemptive ban on the development, production and use of fully autonomous weapons.

from the Guardian
 

djfear

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As we get better at war, the battlefield will cease to exist and all that will be left is terrorism. Lots and lots of terrorism.
 

praktik

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...or a Utopia where no one dies and we just battle our robot behemoths in arena to settle wars....

No more dead people!!
 
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I_bRAD

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To be fair, Western countries are already pretty much unaccountable when the killing goes wrong. AI or not.
 

praktik

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Any country with enough power is, Turkey could level Kurdish villages with relative impunity - biggest price they paid was maybe people being a bit more guarded about letting them join their clubs (hypocritically, for some of these countries!)

Pretty much you have to be on the brink of collapse with no friends for you to pay any price for war crimes - this is because we dont live in a world where international law rules supreme, states still do.
 

alexd

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Check out the US Defense Department's robot competition:

Meet the future first responders - Washington Post
 
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stryker

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I guess t1000 wasn't a cute enough name so they've called him Atlas.

No wires, no cables. It's a goddamn cylon.


stew
 

Krzysiu

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"Gentlemen, we have constructed a robot with perfect balance who can navigate most obstacles with the nimbleness of an adult human."

"Wonderful! Program it to walk like it's about to crap itself. FOR SCIENCE!"
 
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