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analyzing Dillinja

Discussion in 'Jungle Room' started by terrawrist III, Feb 10, 2002.

  1. terrawrist III

    terrawrist III TRIBE Member

    dillinja is still the man!

    After seeing his very linear set last night,I got home at 6:30 and decided I was not tired and wanted to chill...I threw on the "cybotron" LP and found that although,most of the tunes are the same...the tunes are BAD!,that is how Dillinja has stayed afloat!,nobody seems to mind that he puts out the same shit,because all of his tunes are very good.

    All he really does is add different vocals and change up a few of the basslines,some are heavier than others but still maintains the dillinja sound.

    I then threw on the metalheadz documentary and 35% of it revolved around him tinkering in the studio with his bass and showing us how he does it,which is unmatched...nobody pays more attnetion to detail than him and nobody works harder at getting the right sound than dillinja!

    He gets a lot of praise and desevebly so,I just wish he would create a different track now and again.You cant really say much more about him other than that,although it is a BIG "that".He had a studio in his house at 16 which he built himself...that shows you the dedication at what he does and he is looking forward to the future of the music.

    on an added note,it is safe to say that when he remixes a track,it becomes eternally his...i.e."ultrasonic sound",which is defiently a bangin' tune!

    I'm done kissing his ass!

    But just look at what he's done in drum n bass and you will definetly have more respect for the man DILLINJA
  2. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    i agree

    dillinja is a god
  3. D-Cypher

    D-Cypher TRIBE Member

    ^^I wouldn't go that far
  4. jungleboy

    jungleboy TRIBE Promoter

    go listen to his remix off the first Renegade Hardware lp......go listen to the early Test 12's.....the tunes off the Cyba Space lp...

    ...listen to just about anything he has put out in the past two years...


  5. AVE

    AVE TRIBE Member

    haha, thats funny because for a long time i never knew the original was by Hive, i always thought it was a straight-up dillinja tune
  6. rentboy

    rentboy TRIBE Member

    his best moments were Angels Fell and Armoured D...Classics.

    I'm just tired of his style now.
  7. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    do you really want dillinja to change his style? what would happen if he made a really techie sounding track like a c4c or ram or maybe did a few songs with full vocals like uncut(future cut)(he did that sweet remix of ancoats 2 zambia vocals a while back but it still had his touch) or a different style like the new john b. dillinja can't do that because if he did everyone would rant about how dillinja is selling out look how he is trying to be like so-and-so. blah. his style is distinct and he puts out quality tunes of that style so don't complain. how many tracks out there sound the same...quite a few, dillinja style is distinct and if he changes it then it really isn't dillinja or valve sound anymore so i really think he is allowed to keep his sound the same and put out lots of different tracks.

    when i see the name dillinja i know what i am going to get in terms of the sound, same with RAM or C4C, ray keith etc. people don't bitch about how everyone else sounds similar (ray keith using the same amens in every track)

  8. Nebu kad

    Nebu kad TRIBE Member

    yes, a lot of producers have their own distinct sound (ie. dillinja, C4C, Teebee) but the similarities end there.
    Dillinja, as of late has been producing the same goddam tracks. He released a whole LP that sounded the same. You can't argue that this is acceptable because 'all producers have their own sound'.

    This is different.

    This is lack of change within your own sound. This is Dillinja releasing a plethora of tunes with the exact same looped break, with the exact same distorted bass.
    One or two of these 50 000 clones is all that we need.

    Other producers manage to create diversity in their sound....why can't Dillinja?....Pure stagnation if you ask me.

    Yes Dillinja has released some deadly tracks,
    but he is no god, especially when he is being so BLOODY redundant!
  9. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    back to what terrawrist III said
    dillinjas tracks are BAD when played in a club they rip it up...the fact that the tracks are all the same doesn't stop people from buying them so i guess that i why dillinja continues
  10. rentboy

    rentboy TRIBE Member

    that's the sad part.

    Like Nebukad said, he's been using the same looped break and bassline for years...he doesn't necessarily need to change his style... but needs to throw more new sounds into the mix and try different beats.

    He can't keep churning this drivel out.
  11. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    i guess the question is then if he changes his beats and basslines will it still be valve sound?
  12. t-boy

    t-boy TRIBE Member

    maybe not, but he's got to evolve

    half of the shit he was throwing @ SC3 sounded like a remix of the previous track

    like rentboy said, he's got some very good tracks, but, although I've loved his sound before, its quite repetative
  13. CC

    CC TRIBE Member

    dillinja is very different. he has an ability to strive forward. i don't like all of his tunes, but i admire what he does.

  14. terrawrist III

    terrawrist III TRIBE Member

    I just thrive for a more versatile Dillinja,a few trable heavy tracks are maybe what he's looking for but doesn't know it yet...and yeah,agreed that his early shit is gold!

    pick up "acid trak'...one of the better tunes easily!
  15. Nebu kad

    Nebu kad TRIBE Member

    But the fact that any track rips it up in the club doesn't even mean that it is a good track. Quite fequently i will notice that at a party a dj will lay out quality tune after quality tune, with no crowd reaction...but the instant some cheesey track with an ominous build up is played, the crowd goes wild and it gets an uneccessary rewind.

    This doesn't mean that Dillinja makes bad shit, it just means that his crowd reactions do not qualify his tracks as necessarily good. If anything it means that it is main stream tripe suited to satisfy the masses.

    The fact that backstreet boys, britney spears et. all is bad music doesn't stop people from buying their cd's.

    If Dillinja were to change it up, then yes, i do think that it would still be the Valve Sound. It might be better, might be worse, but i still think that i would be the Valve Sound. Although i do think that it could be possible to change up your sound to the point where it is unrecognizable...some artist do this really well under aliases, Dillinja has done it before i believe.

    All i am looking for from Dillinja is a little evolution...the possibilities are endless even when you restrict yourself to a certain framework/sound.
    It's like "okay you've done the distorted bassline and voice whispers for the past 50 releases now why don't you try something new?"
  16. jungleboy

    jungleboy TRIBE Promoter

    no probs with producers working a sounds...but they need to do different stuff within that....
  17. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    dillinija is a villinja

    makes me dance

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  18. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member


    "But the fact that any track rips it up in the club doesn't even mean that it is a good track. Quite fequently i will notice that at a party a dj will lay out quality tune after quality tune, with no crowd reaction"

    Hmm... well you appear to be presenting yourself as part of the "elite" drum and bass group with more knowledge than others. Although it is good to be aware of the scene, unfortunatley you don't run it...the masses do and what they like is going to be the most successful("hype"). You are one person in the crowd. So when the quality tracks are being played if you are supporting them and others agree then they will be considered "hype" and might (unfortunately)get rewound. the reason people don't react to these so called "quality" tunes may be because they don't think they are so quality.

    you say if dillinja changes his sound it will still be considered Valve sound. the fact of the matter is that it won't. the reason there is a valve sound is that it is so distinct and dillinja spent many years creating it so that it would be recognisable as his sound...its like calling a phone a car nobody will know what your talking about because everyone already knows it as being a phone.
  19. Nebu kad

    Nebu kad TRIBE Member


    well it doesn't matter if or if not his changed sound would still be the Valve Sound, (although on one level it would be without a doubt: all dillinja has to do i make a new different style track and throw in a cheesey "valve sound" sample and presto! you have your "Valve Sound" cause Dillinja says so) what matters is that Dillinja as of late has been terribly redundant. Argue it all you want, but you are in denial if you think he' being innovative.

    i don't need to run it, that's irrelevant.

    well even though you're not being clear, i'll give you a little charity:p and assume that what you mean is that 'what the masses like is what defines what is"hype" '.

    That is nice and all but we are not talking about what is hype. Hype does not equal good music. Sometimes the two go hand in hand, and when they do you get something off the hook. If hype did equal good music, then that would mean that "bodyrock", "champion sound (BC rmx)", jmajik's "the lizard", BC's "space hopper" etc, etc, are all good quality tunes. But they aren't and they all suck and that is factual.

    But "Don't believe the hype"

    Sometimes hype fools me for a moment...I'm at a party, having a good time, enjoying my drinks and what not and a track goes off. It gets the place going and i'm feeling it, mostly feeding off of other people's energy. But when I hear the track later I realize that this track is shitty. Ignorance is bliss so i will continue to sometimes allow hype to pull the veil over my face in the name of a good time.

    But Dillinja is still redundant...

    Other artist's who definitely have a signature sound such as Teebee manage just fine to keep on innovating without being redundant.
  20. noahmintz

    noahmintz TRIBE Member

    Come ... you all know that in 3 years from now every UK jungle producer is going to make the switch over to breakbeat (UKG/breaks)
    Just wait and see
    There's so many things pointing in that direction
    Like come on ... Body Rock is a garage track

  21. Tricky kid

    Tricky kid TRIBE Member

    It does matter if Dillinja's sound is Valve Sound. Why? Because he has spent years creating that sound. His sound is not valve sound because he throws a cheesy sample in... it is the stucture of the track, the breaks, bass, the whole formula.

    It was never said that dillinja is being innovative all that was said was that his tracks are BAD. i think the point of the thread if you read the first post Terrawrist III wrote, he said that although dillinjas tracks are similar "they are BAD". i interpreted BAD as meaning hype and i agreed.

    The point of some drum and bass is to get crowd reaction and for dancing purposes(like the tunes you mentioned)...not all of it is for reading in your room. Dillinja knows that he makes dancefloor tunes...

    ...so many tracks out there sound like RAM, C4C and Virus stuff and i am glad there is a valve sound (and only one valve sound)...
  22. rentboy

    rentboy TRIBE Member

    Just thought i'd mention an old Dillinja tune that i loved. "You Don't Know"
    Wicked and forgotten. check it out.

    Ok, this discussion is what this room needed. We need more of this.

  23. AVE

    AVE TRIBE Member

    don't make me laugh....do you even realize how many up and coming producers there are in the UK(eveywhere for that matter)who have alot of serious skills?


    And they aren't gonna follow like sheep to the UKG scene, thats a fact
  24. Nebu kad

    Nebu kad TRIBE Member

    Actaually i think that all that is required, is for Dillinja himself to consider that his tracks have the Valve Sound, and that is all. That' s how it came to be in the first place....he developed a sound and then labeled it. period. The name really is inconsequential, all that is needed is the conscious decision by the artist to 'tag' the sound.

    Say (god forbid) Dillinja releases some new ep with a radical new sound that is still distinctly him...then it would still be the Valve Sound becauase he says so.

    Go ahead and disagree with that if you want but if you do then you will just be in denial. Why? because the man himself will be pushing his sound and you will essentially be disagreeing with him: "No Dillinja your new ep is not the Valve Sound anymore, you, the very creator of these tracks do not know what you are talking about", that would just be absurd.

    Furthermore, as you said earlier along the lines of "if you have a car and then call it a phone then it is a not a car anymore and nobody will recognize it". Well even that is wrong too. Because I don't care what you are calling something, be it a phone that really is a car, or whatever, i can still see that the thing is actually a car under the not-so-sneaky alias of a phone.

    Well i understand this and i originally conveyed the sentiment that it is too bad that there are all these tracks that are considered to be hype but really most are not that good.

    Yes his tracks get the crowd hype, you really can't deny that. But is that the only level of depth that is needed to make a track a quality tune? Not in my books, otherwise i would have a vast collection of BC "Champion Sound rmx" ish (on a side note that is one of the ugliest tracks of all time). All i am saying is that A) Dillinja is now redundant B) hype tracks do not necessarily equal goodness, therefore proof that Dillinja really isn't a god these days, because if all it takes to become a deity is to produce crowd pleasers, then I suppose in the Music House of Gods, Dillinja would be playing chess with Britney Spears. ;)
  25. AVE

    AVE TRIBE Member

    lol......i actually liked BC's champion sound rmx, better than the total science IMO

    i guess i'm the only one though, cause i know a few peeps that hate that tune:D

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