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Alleged terror plot thwarted by arrests in Ontario, Quebec

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Alleged terror plot thwarted by arrests in Ontario, Quebec
RCMP to outline joint operation involving CSIS, U.S. authorities and local police at 3:30 ET
By Greg Weston, National Affairs Specialist, CBC News Posted: Apr 22, 2013

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Canadian police and intelligence agencies will announce later today they have thwarted a plot to carry out a major terrorist attack, arresting two suspects in Montreal and Toronto, CBC News has learned.

Highly placed sources tell CBC News the alleged plotters have been under surveillance for more than a year in Quebec and southern Ontario.

The two men are expected to appear in court tomorrow.

Police have made a number of arrests in southern Ontario and Quebec following a joint operation between Canadian and U.S. authorities. (CBC)
The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

The arrests Monday morning were co-ordinated and executed by a special joint task force of RCMP and CSIS anti-terrorism units, combined with provincial and municipal police forces in Ontario and Quebec.

The RCMP are expected to hold a press conference Monday afternoon to announce the arrests and provide details of the alleged plot, and give an overview of the extensive police and intelligence operation.

Law enforcement officials say the terror suspects arrested today have no connection to the two brothers accused of last week's Boston Marathon bombings.

They also say there is no tie to the former London, Ont., high school friends who joined al-Qaeda and died earlier this year while helping to stage a bloody attack on an Algerian gas refinery.

Alleged plot recalls Toronto 18 case
Sources say the alleged plot disrupted by Monday's arrests was potentially more dangerous than the bombings and hostage-takings planned by the so-called Toronto 18.

That plot was broken up in the summer of 2006, when police arrested 18 people in a massive anti-terrorism sweep in southern Ontario.

Eleven of the 18 were subsequently convicted of aiding the group in various plots, ranging from blowing up the Peace Tower on Parliament Hill and the Toronto Stock Exchange with trucks laden with explosives to beheading the prime minister and other politicians.

The group never got a chance to execute any of its plans before being arrested when one of its members took delivery of what they thought were three tonnes of explosive fertilizer to be used in truck bombs. Undercover agents had replaced the shipment with harmless chemicals.

Four are serving sentences of 18 years to life in prison, while the other seven received terms ranging from 30 months to just over seven years.

More recently, three Canadian citizens were arrested in August, 2010 — two Ottawa men and a London, Ont. doctor — and charged with knowingly facilitating a terrorist activity.

One of them, Hiva Alizadeh, was also charged with possession of more than 50 circuit boards allegedly to be used as remote detonators for bombs.

The cases involving those three have yet to go to court.
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Two suspects in custody over alleged Canadian terror plot

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TORONTO — Two suspects are in custody, one from Ontario and one from Quebec, following an RCMP counter-terrorism investigation in Ontario. No details have yet been released, but Toronto community leaders have been invited to a briefing. The arrests relate to a terror plot in Canada.

The 2:30 p.m. background briefing, attended by several prominent Muslim community leaders, was to be followed by a news conference near Toronto’s Pearson airport. In recent years, police have made a point of briefing community leaders before announcing terror arrests.

The arrests come at a time of heightened public concern over terrorism following the bombings in Boston as well as recent revelations over the involvement of radicalized Canadian youths in overseas terrorist groups.

Canadian linked to terrorist group was killed in suicide attack in Somalia: community source
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Last week, the RCMP said it was looking into whether a Canadian, Mahad Dhore, had died while taking part in a suicide attack on the courts in the Somali capital Mogadshu. The York University student left Toronto in 2009 and allegedly joined the armed Islamist group Al Shabab.

The RCMP has also been investigating two young classmates from London, Ont., who died in Algeria in January while apparently taking part in a terrorist attack at a gas plant. A third member of the circle is imprisoned in Mauritania on charges he had been recruited to fight with Al Qaeda in Mali.

Testifying last month before a Parliamentary committee, a Canadian Security Intelligence Service official said the terrorist threat had become more diffuse, with regional affiliates playing a greater role as the core of Al Qaeda had been diminished.

Michael Peirce, the CSIS Assistant Director of Intelligence, said groups like Al Shabab in Somalia, the North African-based Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen were the new “sites of power and sites of activity” for Al Qaeda.

“This means there’s a regional distribution of the threat, and that diffusion, creating a regional distribution, leads to a greater risk of individuals travelling. Now there are a greater number of areas to travel [to], a greater number of affiliated Al Qaeda organizations to join, and that has increased the risk,” he said.

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guy from RCMP says two men charged were not Canadian, and were ' supported ' by Al Qaeda in Iran.
derailing a VIA train near toronto was their intent.
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ya, that is a bit too much of a coincidence. today was supposed to be a liberal opposition day, but last week Harper had it pushed back until later this week so they could introduce this legislation.

Most likely CSIS & RCMP were in contact with the PMO and told them an arrest was imminent in the following week and Harper wanted to capitalize on the arrest and the recent Boston bombings to push through their legislation.

Speculation on my part, but i certainly wouldn't put it past the conservatives and their bag of dirty tricks.


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Successful politicians get that way by being super awesome at taking advantage of everything, from nearby babies to kiss to disasters to look courageous helping or terrorist attacks to look noble denouncing.

If they got legislation in the hopper anything happening that can grease the wheels will be latched onto, even dead bodies.

Previous anti-terror legislated was sunset so there was gonna be something happening to put that back in place pretty soon...


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Government hurries debate on anti-terrorism bill
Senate bill would reinstate power of preventive arrest and investigative hearings
By Leslie MacKinnon, CBC News

MPs are debating a controversial anti-terrorism bill that would reinstate provisions for preventive arrest and investigative hearings, measures that were part of a 2001 bill but were "sunsetted" in 2007.

The bill was introduced in the Senate last year, and it's suddenly in third reading in the House, with government members debating it with a sense of urgency.

The bill will bring back two central provisions that were originally instituted by the Chrétien government after the 9/11 attacks in New York but were "sunsetted" after a five-year period.

One provision allowed for "preventative detention," meaning someone can be held in custody for up to three days just on suspicion of being involved in terrorism but without a charge being laid. The person can then be bound by certain probationary conditions for up to a year, and if he or she refuses, can be jailed for 12 months.

The second is an "investigative hearing" in which someone suspected of having knowledge of a terrorist act can be forced to answer questions, and if he or she refuses, can be imprisoned for up to 12 months. The objective of this clause is not to prosecute the person for a criminal offence, but merely to gather information.

These two provisions from the 2001 act expired after five years, but in 2007 when the government wanted to extend them for a further three years, the Liberal opposition led by then-leader Stéphane Dion refused approval. Another attempt to restore the provisions died on the order paper when an election was called.

Now the Conservative government has a majority and can reinstate the measures on its own, but the Liberals say they will support the bill. The NDP opposes the bill and is questioning the timing of the government suddenly moving the bill into an emergency-like debate, accusing it of "being asleep since December."

A crime to leave Canada to plan for terrorism
The bill, entitled the Combating Terrorism Act, also introduces a new provision, making it illegal to leave the country with the intention of committing an act of terrorism which could apply, for instance, to anyone planning on attending an al-Qaeda training camp, or plotting an act with others overseas. The new provision seems designed for arrests and charges in the early planning stages before the person even leaves Canada.

The bill also stiffens penalties for certain acts. Anyone who facilitates an act of terrorism by the communication of false information, such as the loan of a cellphone to be used for a false bomb threat, can be imprisoned for up to 14 years. The same 14-year maximum is in place for anyone who harbours or conceals someone who is contemplating or has committed a terrorist act.

There are also changes that recognize that some of the secrecy enshrined in the original act has been challenged by the courts. The old bill allowed an investigative hearing or a sealing order for court documents to happen without any public notice if the government claimed that national security was at risk.

In the new act, there's a recognition that a federal court can make documents public. In the past, even an application for a ban on information by the government was secret. Now a court can order the application be made public.

The same five-year sunset clause is in the new bill.

In debate Monday, the NDP argued that the bill threatens the civil liberties of Canadians and that there was no evidence offered by the Conservatives that the bill is necessary. More than one NDP MP pointed out that two individuals accused of plotting terrorism were apprehended Monday without the assistance of the provisions of the anti-terror legislation.

Conservative MP Joan Crockett pointed out that a new provision proposed in the bill targets those who are planning "to receive terrorist training."

Crockett said that clause could have applied to the two men from London, Ont., who are alleged to have participated in an attack on a gas plant in Algeria. Many people in her riding of Calgary Centre, she said, worry about danger at gas plants when they travel overseas to work in them.

Traffic on social media Monday speculated about the coincidence of the government rushing debate on the anti-terrorism bill on the same day the RCMP announced a major terrorism arrest involving an alleged attack planned on a Via Rail train in the Greater Toronto Area.

Asked by reporters about the timing of the hastily rescheduled debate, NDP defence critic Jack Harris said, "It is a little bit odd that we're having it the same day we're dealing with new legislation in the House of Commons, legislation that was put into effect ten years ago and frankly never used, and sunsetted five years ago and now being brought back again today, that's certainly suspicious."

"Whether the timing of the Mounties is predicated by that, that I don't know. I would certainly hope that the Minister of Public Safety wouldn't seek an announcement of this kind but I wouldn't want to impugn the motives of the RCMP in this," Harris said.

In a brief statement Monday afternoon in the foyer of the House of Commons Monday afternoon, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said, "Preventing, countering and prosecuting terrorism is a priority for our government. Canada will not tolerate terrorist activity and we will not be used as a safe haven for terrorists or those who support terrorist activity."

If the Government House Leader Peter Van Loan gives notice on time allocation Monday, it's possible that the anti-terrorism bill could be voted on Tuesday night.

Government hurries debate on anti-terrorism bill - Politics - CBC News
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do you even read the threads before you post ? :p
Police have been investigating since August 2012. International intelligence sources tell CBC News that Canadian law enforcement agencies were ready to shut down the alleged plot and make the arrests months ago.

But partly at the urging of U.S. intelligence agents, the investigation was left open.

Sources said that while the U.S. law enforcement agencies were co-operating in the investigation of the alleged train plot, they also wanted to know who else might be involved.

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Makes sense and doesn't sound insane at all. Prepare for Harper is tough on terrorism and Trudeau is for the destruction of Canada ads.


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this incident has brought out not one but two racists on my FB... and they're both coworkers. One of them keeps going on about these guys being "illegal aliens" and how Canada's immigration laws need to be strengthened. Another one wants to shut the borders to muslims altogether. The "illegal aliens" one even pointed me to a CBC article she said reported they were illegals... so I go there and it actually contains the sentence "both were in the country legally" I mean, wtf.

The worst part is she's awesome eye-candy but after this morning's exchange I'm not sure I'll get the cute smiles from her in the hallway anymore... :-(
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this incident has brought out not one but two racists on my FB... and they're both coworkers. One of them keeps going on about these guys being "illegal aliens" and how Canada's immigration laws need to be strengthened. Another one wants to shut the borders to muslims altogether. The "illegal aliens" one even pointed me to a CBC article she said reported they were illegals... so I go there and it actually contains the sentence "both were in the country legally" I mean, wtf.

The worst part is she's awesome eye-candy but after this morning's exchange I'm not sure I'll get the cute smiles from her in the hallway anymore... :-(

You should send them a link to an article about the 4 young men from London, Ontario connected to the Algeria terror attack. One of them is a Korean Canadian and another is a white boy (Greek judging from his name).


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OK this guy is weird in a scary way:
Terror plot suspect tells court: Criminal Code

When addressed, Mr. Esseghaier said, “I wish to have one comment,” to which Justice of Peace Susan Hilton responded with a caution to “be careful what you say.”

Standing in the glass-walled prisoner’s box in the cramped basement courtroom, where every seat was taken, Mr. Esseghaier then calmly told the court he does not recognize Canada’s Criminal Code.

“First of all, my comment is the following because all of those conclusions was taken out based on Criminal Code,” he said.

“All of us we know that this Criminal Code is not holy book, it’s just written by set of creations and the creations – they’re not perfect because only the Creator is perfect so if we are basing our judgment ... we cannot rely on the conclusions taken out from these judgments.”

The Justice of Peace thanked him for his remarks but added that “it doesn’t matter in this court. ... You save that for another court.”