I would like to point out that these are only allegations, at present there is no victim if the allegations are false/made up.
you can only be a victim is something happened to you not because you said something happened, that makes you a liar.
I use Judge Judy's logic: if it doesn't make sense, it's probably not true. It doesn't make sense that she'd post on her FB that night if it didn't happen to her. There is no set up. That would be actually the obvious thing to do. People looooooooove social media. I doubt anyone would say they were groped by a HUGE political figure and be lying about it. Especially someone in her position. She's got way too much to lose to just post irresponsibly to her followers about a serious allegation.Jane is right; and you also never know how you are going to handle an incident until it happens to you. I've had several things happen to me and had very diffferent reactions.
I think using fb was really stupid, but who knows what I would have done if it had happened to me today?
Well, that's not entirely true. In the eyes of the law, yes, innocent until proven guilty but don't you think an alleged victim's statements should be taken as seriously as the alleged perp?
That's not what's going on here, what is going on is that people are saying she tried to set him up. She is also saying she tried to set him up because she witnessed him copping a feel on another attendee, yet nobody has come forward. We have two people who confirmed the set up and we have facebook/twitter comments made by the alleged victim and a google search about cocaine to diagnose the accused state of mind by his accuser.
... that it's not the content, that it's the actual act of scrutiny that contributes to the climate. And I agree with her and I am sorry for that.
Except that a "healthy dose" of skepticism or scrutiny is not what people go through when they come forward with sexual assault or harassment allegations.
For the general public, it really comes down to the character of the victim.. Maybe I'm also naive, but it seems very probably that if the person came out to friends and family about their experience, and their friends thought this person to be honest, most anyone would believe them.
I wish there was a better system to support them, and give them the justice they deserve. For better or worse this is the system we have.
If you think that people are generally supported and showered with puppies and rainbows when they come forward with this kind of thing, then I have no idea what to say to you.
I think what Jane is saying is that there is a better system that exists but isn't practiced. And that better system includes not contributing to the climate of victim-shaming no matter what we think. Which is what we're doing when we're being skeptical.
So every victim is always right? or wrong? or in the middle?
It's hard not to shame a victim who made the comments that kyfe alluded to. Or perhaps shame isn't the right word - it is hard to believe someone like her.
Let's flip it on the other side - if Sarah Thompson smacked a councillor on the butt and made a suggestive remark, and that male councillor reacted the same I would also be skeptical.