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Alex D... plz do justice and close this forum!
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Thanks for the info session Keld... hey, who's this "MJ Cole" i'm hearing so much about these days!? 
If it were 2000 and this had been any other group of people, UKG would have broke much better in T.O. But it came at the wrong time, supported by the wrong people... in this city atleast.
Well, in the states too... I mean...for instance... casper? meh... It's like North america was begging for a new trend and the washout from UKG was it....
But this is all I.M.H.O.
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If it were 2000 and this had been any other group of people, UKG would have broke much better in T.O. But it came at the wrong time, supported by the wrong people... in this city atleast.
Well, in the states too... I mean...for instance... casper? meh... It's like North america was begging for a new trend and the washout from UKG was it....
But this is all I.M.H.O.
-Py
gwan and thing go on !!
I think maybe we should be requesting that the past topics don’t get deleted.... this way people can be educated and not tricked into thinking that nobody is into this stuff called "UKG"...the fact is that garage has had a HUGE influence on entire scene even if you see being called UKG or not...blacklisting or canceling this link would be a huge upset ...I think that I am gunner set something up to push things further real soon then you will a proper rep link it up in a sorted fashion.... boh times two for the UKG crew !!
I think maybe we should be requesting that the past topics don’t get deleted.... this way people can be educated and not tricked into thinking that nobody is into this stuff called "UKG"...the fact is that garage has had a HUGE influence on entire scene even if you see being called UKG or not...blacklisting or canceling this link would be a huge upset ...I think that I am gunner set something up to push things further real soon then you will a proper rep link it up in a sorted fashion.... boh times two for the UKG crew !!
Korhan Kinazi
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I deklined to go ...how was the show ?
judge wopner
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myself and dj divy threw aUKG and break party in 2001 that did awesome, $10 cover and we had a line up, though it was at a smaller venue (b-side)
we didnt really get mad into throwing jams all the time not out of a lack of commitment or a waning interest in the sound but because we grew up and had full time jobs that needed a commitment to a more work focused lifestyle,
i resent your suggestion that "any other group of people" which seems to include myself had a bad hand in not promoting UKG, what exactly are u implying about mine or anyone elses character right now?
who the fuck goes to the effort to join TRIBE after being banned just to post threads about closing the UGK forum then proceeds to implicate the very few people who actually like the music in T.O. as being at fault for its lack of popularity?
why not go to the hardcore forum and shit allover those cats because hardcore didnt make it as big as deep house, or isnt played on FLOW 93.5? i dont see many big house nights or weekly's with hardcore that get jammed up either?
i agree we may have lacked the bold drive to really push UKG, and i also think your night at insomnia would have been a great forum for all sorts of genres to be played including 2-step, why not come at it from a more positive and proactive angle,
especially considering many of us includng myself quite recently know you already, u never expressed your concerns about my inability to make shit happen w/ 2-step in person,
i dont consider myself to be intimidating or threatening in any way at all, why not say it to my face, id probally kind of agree with you to be honest, i took put work priorities over promoting jams.
but i dnt think any of us deserve to be implicated with calls for closing the forum.
Jeff
FLIRT Crew
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the '2-step' sound failed in N.A. for many reasons... the speed garage stigma, too uk-centric, uk dj costs, the deline of ukg in london, the dominance of house and hiphop/r&b, etc. Saying that it was promoted by the wrong people is incredibly simple minded and naive. The fact is, you don't know what you're talking about. I actually think we had all the "right" people promoting this sound. Sure there were disagreements, egos, and some shittiness, but for the most part everyone involved got along famously... and loved the sound. In that respect I think it was a success. We threw lots of parties, with varied degrees of success, and the focus was *always* about the music.... not money, woman, drugs, and other bullshit club drama. Was it alot of work? You fuckin bet. The craziness we had to endure with club owners, agents, djs, media was *nuts*. But ofcourse you wouldn't know that... since we (flirt, rinseit, vital, hustlin', scandal, peppa, etc) had the monopoly on ukg in all of canada... and nobody else was allowed to promote. evar. it's always easiest to yell from the bleachers...
anyway, ukg deserves a forum now, more then it ever has. There's so much to talk about. Since 2001, when the '2step' sound majorly declined in london, we've been talking about how it's going to reinvent itself. I think that time is now... but not in the way that we all thought it would happen. Instead of reemerging in the underground (which it *kinda* has in ways of grime, dubstep etc), the real reinvention of ukg is happening with acts like dizee, streets, m.i.a., etc. so to people who say "ukg never broke in N.A."... well news flash, it just did. i know we all have mixed opinions about the current state of the music... but it's a pretty exciting time to be listening to it.
anyway... lets be positive. I'm actually glad you brought up this topic. I welcome the discussion.
it's always easiest to yell from the bleachers...anyway, ukg deserves a forum now, more then it ever has. There's so much to talk about. Since 2001, when the '2step' sound majorly declined in london, we've been talking about how it's going to reinvent itself. I think that time is now... but not in the way that we all thought it would happen. Instead of reemerging in the underground (which it *kinda* has in ways of grime, dubstep etc), the real reinvention of ukg is happening with acts like dizee, streets, m.i.a., etc. so to people who say "ukg never broke in N.A."... well news flash, it just did. i know we all have mixed opinions about the current state of the music... but it's a pretty exciting time to be listening to it.
anyway... lets be positive. I'm actually glad you brought up this topic. I welcome the discussion.
I say we blame the whole thing on Sen. Why not, he's an easy scapegoat and lives way out in Hamilton so an in person confrontation is unlikely to happen. So there we go the failure of UKG in NA can all be attributed to one man and one man alone Sen aka "Deepsix"
Please don't kill this forum. It's one of the only places to stay current with the limited ukg events that happen.
peace
man like nejo
Please don't kill this forum. It's one of the only places to stay current with the limited ukg events that happen.
peace
man like nejo
Originally posted by FLIRT Crew
the '2-step' sound failed in N.A. for many reasons... the speed garage stigma, too uk-centric, uk dj costs, the deline of ukg in london, the dominance of house and hiphop/r&b, etc. Saying that it was promoted by the wrong people is incredibly simple minded and naive. The fact is, you don't know what you're talking about. I actually think we had all the "right" people promoting this sound. Sure there were disagreements, egos, and some shittiness, but for the most part everyone involved got along famously... and loved the sound. In that respect I think it was a success. We threw lots of parties, with varied degrees of success, and the focus was *always* about the music.... not money, woman, drugs, and other bullshit club drama. Was it alot of work? You fuckin bet. The craziness we had to endure with club owners, agents, djs, media was *nuts*. But ofcourse you wouldn't know that... since we (flirt, rinseit, vital, hustlin', scandal, peppa, etc) had the monopoly on ukg in all of canada... and nobody else was allowed to promote. evar.
well, ng ( thunder) amd deepsix has hit it home for the past 3 years... stilll love breaks and ukg....roby and i work together but the back room @system is rough lol (ps ape and louie says so) cheers
anyway, ukg deserves a forum now, more then it ever has. There's so much to talk about. Since 2001, when the '2step' sound majorly declined in london, we've been talking about how it's going to reinvent itself. I think that time is now... but not in the way that we all thought it would happen. Instead of reemerging in the underground (which it *kinda* has in ways of grime, dubstep etc), the real reinvention of ukg is happening with acts like dizee, streets, m.i.a., etc. so to people who say "ukg never broke in N.A."... well news flash, it just did. i know we all have mixed opinions about the current state of the music... but it's a pretty exciting time to be listening to it.
anyway... lets be positive. I'm actually glad you brought up this topic. I welcome the discussion.
Yeah, we're still doing our best.
It's tough - I think that there are a lot of things against UKG getting off the ground as well.
a) It's a more "mature" sound in some ways - i.e. the DJs that spin it were mostly of the older sect...meaning that a majority of us had jobs, wives, kids, etc. when the genre was just set to break and thus couldn't commit as much time as we wanted to the scene.
b) there were almost no more raves at the time...meaning that there was no "easy" way to "infect the masses" and especially the younger crowds that have open minds. (this one, imo, is one of the hugest reasons why it never broke well). We didn't have huge success in getting booked at big raves because the promoters wanted a proven sound in the last days of the raves - no one was making money.
c) the internet was both a boon and a bane - people were able to check out the sounds and liked it...but maybe a bit too easily...and maybe not enough "likage" to come out to events.
But seriously - Don't hate...create.
If you have a problem with UKG and how it's been promoted in the past - change the game or don't play.
I still have a monthly in Toronto, a monthly in Kingston, a weekly radio show on the FM dial in Ottawa and Toronto (plus across Canada on satellite and streaming around the world on the Internet). I've played in the US, across Canada, and will be doing things off the continent this year if everything pans out. I'm looking to get more productions out this year (currently have releases on compilations and vinyl).
I have a private practice as a therapist (read: I run my own company) and I have a wife a 1 year old son plus house/vehicle and all the expenses that go with that
So, I've been trying to do my part.
How about you, Pyeddo (if that really is your name...lol)
Shit or get off the pot.
Closing this forum isn't going to make UKG go any further or go away.
That, sir, is up to you.
Shit or get off the pot.
It's tough - I think that there are a lot of things against UKG getting off the ground as well.
a) It's a more "mature" sound in some ways - i.e. the DJs that spin it were mostly of the older sect...meaning that a majority of us had jobs, wives, kids, etc. when the genre was just set to break and thus couldn't commit as much time as we wanted to the scene.
b) there were almost no more raves at the time...meaning that there was no "easy" way to "infect the masses" and especially the younger crowds that have open minds. (this one, imo, is one of the hugest reasons why it never broke well). We didn't have huge success in getting booked at big raves because the promoters wanted a proven sound in the last days of the raves - no one was making money.
c) the internet was both a boon and a bane - people were able to check out the sounds and liked it...but maybe a bit too easily...and maybe not enough "likage" to come out to events.
But seriously - Don't hate...create.
If you have a problem with UKG and how it's been promoted in the past - change the game or don't play.
I still have a monthly in Toronto, a monthly in Kingston, a weekly radio show on the FM dial in Ottawa and Toronto (plus across Canada on satellite and streaming around the world on the Internet). I've played in the US, across Canada, and will be doing things off the continent this year if everything pans out. I'm looking to get more productions out this year (currently have releases on compilations and vinyl).
I have a private practice as a therapist (read: I run my own company) and I have a wife a 1 year old son plus house/vehicle and all the expenses that go with that
So, I've been trying to do my part.
How about you, Pyeddo (if that really is your name...lol)
Shit or get off the pot.
Closing this forum isn't going to make UKG go any further or go away.
That, sir, is up to you.
Shit or get off the pot.
Kinda defeats the purpose of posting on a messageboard in the first place, doesn't it? Why not PM Alex in the first place? Or Saffron, or Keld for that matter. You've started a debate and it seems that you're running away from it because your opinion doesn't match the majority.
Leave the personal jabs to PMs if you'd like, but I'm sure everyone is interested in hearing why you think the sound didn't "make it" in Toronto and why you think it's beyond repair.
Except for the running away, good point rude1_247. The only problem is that Saffron and myself, and now apprently Judge Wopner, have issue's aside from the ones being currently debated, so I don't think continuing on here makes much sense... it'll just get bogged down with cheap-shots.
So without the entire topic being muddled because of my involvement, I feel it would be easier to post my thoughts to those who really want to know in a PM setting. Thats the only way i think i could make my point, which so far has been lost with people assuming i'm insulting the institution of Toronto UKG.
Neil; My bad for mixing up you and Deepsix. Matt sends his regards to both yourself and Drea.
Apparently everyone has an opinion on this, i'm honestly interested to see where the conversation goes. My points aside, I'm sure others have similar or completely different opinions on this topic.
So without the entire topic being muddled because of my involvement, I feel it would be easier to post my thoughts to those who really want to know in a PM setting. Thats the only way i think i could make my point, which so far has been lost with people assuming i'm insulting the institution of Toronto UKG.
Neil; My bad for mixing up you and Deepsix. Matt sends his regards to both yourself and Drea.
Apparently everyone has an opinion on this, i'm honestly interested to see where the conversation goes. My points aside, I'm sure others have similar or completely different opinions on this topic.
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