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Alcohol boosts crime... duh...

PosTMOd

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No surprise for anyone who has watched Cops...from the Globe and Mail...


Stats confirm key role alcohol plays in crime

By ERIN ANDERSSEN

Wednesday, May 1, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A9

Close the liquor stores. Ban those predinner cocktails. The federal government has proved it: It's the drunks, not the druggies, who should really scare us.

A new study confirming the link between substance abuse and crime has found that the real demon lurking behind the homicides and violent assaults in this country is the one drug Ottawa lets us buy.

Pot, cocaine and heroin may make us steal. But alcohol makes us kill.

"Everybody's scared of drug-crazed people slitting their throats in the street. It's more likely to be a good old-fashioned drunk," said Richard Garlick, a spokesman for the Canadian Centre for Substance Abuse and the author of the report.

The three-year, $250,000 study found that drugs and alcohol were major contributing factors in up to half of the examined crimes. But the line was clearly drawn: Drugs were the leading weakness for people convicted of economic crimes such as theft and shoplifting. Alcoholics were twice as likely as drug takers to have committed violent crimes.

Drinking too much alcohol, the report says, was the main contributing factor to one-third of homicides and assaults studied -- suggesting that these crimes would likely not have occurred at all if the killers had stayed sober. This number jumps another 20 per cent when alcohol is combined with drugs.

Drug use alone, on the other hand, was the main factor in only 7 per cent of homicides.

"If you look at this study, the first thing you would do is prohibit alcohol," Mr. Garlick said. "The thing that's really causing the most serious crime is the drug that's readily available to anyone at any time."

Experts have always linked substance abuse to crime, but this is the first Canadian study to produce statistics to substantiate the claim that drugs and alcohol cause crime. To complete the report, the centre conducted in-depth interviews with nearly 700 provincial and federal inmates and surveyed another 10,000 prisoners and individuals under arrest.

Slightly more than half of federal inmates told researchers that they were under the influence of either alcohol or drugs (most often cocaine) when they committed their most serious crime. They reported addictions at a much higher rate than the rest of the Canadian population, and drug abusers in particular were more likely to rob or shoplift simply to feed their habit.

Addiction itself leads to more frequent crime generally: Inmates dependent on drugs or alcohol averaged about seven crimes a week, mostly drug offences, but more than three times the rate for inmates without addictions.

The question of what to do about substance abuse in Canada is currently the domain of two parliamentary committees charged with looking into such issues as the economic costs of drug use, the consequences of legalizing marijuana and how to balance enforcement with treatment.

Liberal MP Derek Lee, a member of one of the committees studying the problem, says it will now have to look at the hard numbers on alcohol abuse.

"Members of Parliament are going to have to wake up to this reality," Mr. Lee said.

"It's clear that tobacco is the big killing drug. And it's clear that the big expensive drug is alcohol."

Cocktail for violence

A federal Solicitor-General report shows the relationship between crime and substance abuse. The main findings indicate that violent crimes were more ofter associated with the use of alcohol while crimes such as theft and robbery tended to have a stronger link to illegal drugs.



Assault: Alcohol 39% Other drugs 9% Alc + other drugs 24%

Homicide: Alc 34% Other drugs 7% Alc+other 21%


Attempted murder: Alc 30% Other drugs 9% Alc+other 24%
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
Nothing surprising here.

The only surprise is our outdated laws that put a harmless pot smoker in jail before a violent drunk.

Not that drinking should be illegal, but it should be a wake up call to the prohibitionists who still think that they can tell us what we can and cannot do to our own bodies.

Pete
 
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AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Well ...

The three-year, $250,000 study
That's actually pretty cheap considering the study took place over 3 years. Just imagine how much money you would spend at the LCBO over the course of 3 years. ;)

Seriously though, one of the problems with linking alcohol and violent crime is that alcohol does not make EVERYONE violent. In fact, the majority of the population becomes LESS aggressive after drinking. So I would not be too quick and blame the drug ... it's a symptom of deeper social problems, and not a cause.
 

stir-fry

TRIBE Member
Re: Well ...

Originally posted by AdRiaN

That's actually pretty cheap considering the study took place over 3 years. Just imagine how much money you would spend at the LCBO over the course of 3 years. ;)

Seriously though, one of the problems with linking alcohol and violent crime is that alcohol does not make EVERYONE violent. In fact, the majority of the population becomes LESS aggressive after drinking. So I would not be too quick and blame the drug ... it's a symptom of deeper social problems, and not a cause.

i wouldn't say majority .. rather minority..

every single person that i know, when they drink, they become somewhat more agressive..
some more than others, but i have NEVER seen alcohol make a room full of people less-agressive.
 
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graham

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Alcohol certainly increases crime. Thank goodness we finally have proof!

Sporting events also increase crime rates. So do political protests. Christmas shopping definitely increases crime rates. Human interaction has been known to increase crime rates. A good night's sleep can also increase the odds of comitting a crime, being well rested and all.
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Re: Well ...

Originally posted by AdRiaN

Seriously though, one of the problems with linking alcohol and violent crime is that alcohol does not make EVERYONE violent. In fact, the majority of the population becomes LESS aggressive after drinking. So I would not be too quick and blame the drug ... it's a symptom of deeper social problems, and not a cause.
werd! if people are angry inside alcohol lets that out.

<--- friendly drunk
 

Rosey

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by mr tall

Sporting events also increase crime rates. So do political protests. Christmas shopping definitely increases crime rates. Human interaction has been known to increase crime rates. A good night's sleep can also increase the odds of comitting a crime, being well rested and all.
in fact, i performed a study last week that showed that 100% (with a 5% margin of error) of all crime was preceded within the 48 hours prior to the act by some form of sleep or rest!!!!

we should outlaw sleeping.
 

AdRiaN

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Well ...

Originally posted by stir-fry
every single person that i know, when they drink, they become somewhat more agressive
Maybe you need some new drinking buddies?!

Alcohol provides a sense of well-being in the brain from its interaction with dopamine receptors. That's why people ENJOY getting drunk. The real question is, what does an individual do when they're "feelin' good"?

Some of us become more sociable and friendly. Others become aggressive. It's a matter of your personality, NOT the drug.

By the way, if the MAJORITY of alcohol drinkers became aggressive rather than sociable, we would have substantially more violent crime in this country. Substantially. How many fights break out in the club district, for example, compared to how many people just go home and pass out (or get laid)?
 
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LoopeD

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Re: Re: Re: Well ...

Originally posted by AdRiaN



Some of us become more sociable and friendly. Others become aggressive. It's a matter of your personality, NOT the drug.



Actually, alchohol can bring out the violent side of many people, especially but not exclusively, guys. Funny thing is, it depends on the booze.

Rye whiskey, sometimes termed Indian water, has been the cause of more bloody brawls than any substance in history.

Rum, the paleolithic in a bottle. Too much and your memory will disappear, leaving a raving lunatic.

Tequila, though not necessarily violent, gives one an extreme excess of energy and can wreak havoc on a nice home/cottage/face.

Gin, dubbed "panty remover" by the older generation, can make you spin out of control, though isn't normally associated with fighting.

Vodka, see gin but without the panty effect (well, it has some like every booze, but not known for it).

Wine, happiest drunk there is. Flushed face, laughing, girls are friendly, everybody's happy.

Beer, 2nd happiest, though I've seen weak drinkers fight even on this weak benign swill.

It does NOT depend on the personality, it depends on the type of booze drank, the amount and the person's body chemistry. So if someone goes on a bad drunk they've got a bad personality? You're pretty judgemental!:D





:)dd\
 
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graham

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I think, in general, the more sugary the beverage, the more the aggression. For example, Rye is the most violent of the alcoholic drinks, because it's a sweet syrup, and people mix it with sugary cola or ginger-ale. It's like speed, all that energy has to go somewhere, and it causes fights.

What the alcohol is mixed with, is just as much of a factor as the alcohol itself.
 

Subsonic Chronic

TRIBE Member
Re: Re: Re: Re: Well ...

Originally posted by LoopeD


It does NOT depend on the personality, it depends on the type of booze drank, the amount and the person's body chemistry. So if someone goes on a bad drunk they've got a bad personality? You're pretty judgemental!:D

:)dd\
I can't tel if you're joking or not. My sarcast-o-meter is not going off... but I'm quite surprised that you think that people fight based on what alcohol they drank.

The difference in effect between the alcohols is negligeable. I've never been in a fight, nor have I ever freaked out in a drunken stupor and I've been drunk on all of those alcohols on different occasions.

If someone fights everytime that they drink, it's not because they're drinking rye instead of beer, it's because they have aggressive personality issues. That seems pretty obvious doesn't it?

Pete
 

graham

Well-Known TRIBEr
when I drink Rev, the effect on my system is way different than a vodka tonic, because of what the vodka is mixed with. It's an extreme example, but drinking a few rye and cokes is going to produce the same energy effect as a rev, because of the sugar and caffeine. Different alcohols do effect people in different ways, not because of the alcohol, but because of what else is in there.
 
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stir-fry

TRIBE Member
i agree with mr. small's analogy..

i had to quit drinking rye all together, because it brings out this very very agressive side to me.. at least i know enough to stop though..
a few people i know are the same.. they can drink beer, vodka, whatever, and just be cool drunks.. give them some whiskey and they turn into raving fuckin lunatics..
 
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