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A Game of Thrones: OMG!!! George RR Martin's fantasy set for HBO!!!

SUNKIST

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possibledj said:
Perdido was wicked. I totally thought that it woudl make a great movie too.
oh! dont know how i missed this post. i agree, perdido is a great novel. havent yet been motivated to read "the scar", but PSS was radness. the characters and setting are amazing!
 

possibledj

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I had the fortune of taking a fantasy (ENG237, take it if you're at U of T and Michael Johnstone is teaching it) class last summer at U of T in which we studied both A Game of Thrones and Perdido St Station, as well as another pretty wicked fantasy book called Sailing to Sarantium (part of another series I might pick up this summer). In Game of Thrones we talked about a number of really subtle elements which I would never have pciked up on reading it alone, things which I continue to notice in the later novels. man, I'm going to have to go through my old notes from the class once the show starts.

I have been thinking about this all day. The different character/chapters thing is going to translate SOOOOO well into a TV show, and the end of Game of Thrones is SUCH a good way to end a season too. Oh man, this is gonna be SICK!
 

SUNKIST

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possibledj said:
I had the fortune of taking a fantasy (ENG237, take it if you're at U of T and Michael Johnstone is teaching it) class last summer at U of T in which we studied both A Game of Thrones and Perdido St Station, as well as another pretty wicked fantasy book called Sailing to Sarantium (part of another series I might pick up this summer). In Game of Thrones we talked about a number of really subtle elements which I would never have pciked up on reading it alone, things which I continue to notice in the later novels. man, I'm going to have to go through my old notes from the class once the show starts.
haha i swear im normally not like this but...horrible class, horrible teacher/ta's.
and i only made it 25 pages into sailing to sarantium, or sailing to boredom as i like to call it. i think i gave the book away. song of kali was my fave book in that class.
 

derek

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NemIsis said:
I liked the 'history lessons in genealogy and snail-paced intrigue' but then I also like reading books that are just pure history :eek: . Agree though, the series does pick up the pace afterwards.
i did too, but i could see how for some it might make them want to rip their eyeballs out.

kinda like how i was with an atwood work or two. she can bore me to death. her only decent book is 'the handmaid's tale'. however, i'm sure their are those that disagree and could comment on the more refined attributes of her style.
 

praktik

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Ice & Fire on HBO

Jun. 13th, 2008 at 5:25 PM | link

The latest news on HBO front is that David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have turned in the second draft of the pilot script for A GAME OF THRONES, and their rewrite is presently being read and evaluated by the powers-that-be at HBO. In other words, it's the normal process, which is long and often slow. So far, the reports are good, and HBO seems to like what they're seeing... but no, there's no greenlight yet, A GAME OF THRONES remains a script in development, not a series in production.

The one hard bit of news is that HBO has reached agreement with the BBC for them to come in as a partner on the series... IF it goes ahead. That's very cool news, and I'm excited and pleased to have the BBC involved... but even so, we're still in the crossed fingers stage here, not the shooting-off-fireworks stage.

I get emails about the HBO adaptation of A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE almost daily, by the way, so let me say a few words about that.

Look, guys and girls, I appreciate all the enthusiasm and interest, but please stop sending me your resumes, your head shots, your audition tapes. We're not hiring anyone as yet. We won't be hiring anyone for some time, most likely. And should that day arrive when the show gets the greenlight and we start looking for a cast and crew, it won't be me doing the hiring and casting. I'll visit the set from time to time, I'm sure (how often may depend on whether we're shooting in Ireland, the Czech Republic, New Zealand, Rumania, or wherever), but the final decisions on these matters will be made by HBO, the BBC, the showrunners, and the director. I can't help you. Especially if you're not actually professionally involved in film and television, but are still "desperate to be involved in the show in any capacity, even just standing around in the background." I get a lot of those emails too. Those people who stand around in the background are called "extras," for what it's worth, and I'm not in charge of hiring them either. Again, we thank you for the love, but that's not how television works.

I also get a constant stream of emails asking me for news about the HBO project. Guys, that's why I have a News page on my website, and that's why I post here. When there's some news to share, I share it. Honest. No news is no news. Sometimes long periods pass when nothing is happening, or things are happening behind the scenes that even I am not aware of. Whenever there is a significant development -- like the BBC coming aboard -- I will post it here. I'm not going to try to disseminate it in individual emails to whoever happens to write that day to ask what's new with HBO.

Thanks for your patience. Thanks for your understanding. Keep your fingers crossed.
 

praktik

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In other news, I took DeepSix's advice and picked up Gardens of the Moon by Steven Erikson (original hardcover now available for 6$ in the bargain fiction section of chapters - with perhaps the gayest cover in fantasy history!) and i must say - I am completely enraptured. FFW a few weeks and Im just wrapping up the third one and it just keeps getting better. Part of me almost thinks its better than Martin, but I guess its like comparing two fine wines of a different grape and vintage...

All I can say is there's no excuse with the price so low - also - the guy is a machine and hes stuck pretty close to his "book a year" promise, book 8 of 10 just released.

Vivid characterization, well-realized characters and nobody gets away clean... I like a world with consequences..;) Also - a fellow Canukistani
 
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DeepSix

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LOL re: "gayest cover in fantasy history"

That's a pretty tall order, considering some of the horrific covers this genre has produced :D

Glad you like it. Depending on what mood I'm in, Erikson and Martin are interchangably 1 and 2 on my top 10 list. I like Erikson's depiction of magic and the gods immensely as well as his portrayal of humans as both pawns and powers. I love Martin's politics and intrigue. Both are masters of making interesting characters.

I'm currently reading a book by Kate Elliot called "Spirit Gate" which, so far, is decent - I'm only about 1/3 of the way done the 1st (and only, so far) book in the series. The Reeves and their giant eagles are cool if nothing else.
 

praktik

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DeepSix said:
LOL re: "gayest cover in fantasy history"

That's a pretty tall order, considering some of the horrific covers this genre has produced :D

...

I like Erikson's depiction of magic and the gods immensely as well as his portrayal of humans as both pawns and powers. I love Martin's politics and intrigue. Both are masters of making interesting characters.
Its the TOR version though and I find most TOR fantasy books must have had their covers focus-grouped with pro-Magic Card champions. Interestingly, if you google image search "Gardens of the Moon" you'll see one version with just the dude, and one version that adds a sexy chick in the bottom left corner. I think that's proof of my Magic Card champ theory, since they're usually online porn addicts.

The Bantam paperbacks have cover art that is so much more appropriate and interesting.

I also agree on the magic and gods thing, almost feels like a big mix of Mieville/Martin/Neil Gaiman to me but I wouldn't want to make a mongrel out of Erikson, he's his own man. fascinating world and history...
 

praktik

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Have you read the David Keck book "In the Eye of Heaven"? Erikson raves about it and it looked intriguing to me...
 

DeepSix

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Totally. Apparently, they're going to release some kind of encyclopedia of the world of his after the series is complete.

I haven't yet read what his partner wrote - Night of Knives, I think - set in the same world, but I might just.

Also, there are a bunch of "sidetrack novellas" set in the Malazan world:

Blood Follows (2002)
The Healthy Dead (2004)
The Lees of Laughter's End (2007)

that I'd be interested in getting my hands on.

Oh! Apparently, the 8th book is out in August / Sept 08 - Toll the Hounds.

Yay!
 

DeepSix

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praktik said:
Have you read the David Keck book "In the Eye of Heaven"? Erikson raves about it and it looked intriguing to me...
No, but I'll look for it now.

Amazing how a "simple" game of D&D evolved into the Malazan series.
 

koojmak

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sweet, been looking for some new fantasy to read, will be plowing through the books before i watch it........
 

Booge

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I think any of the series by David Eddings would work out quite well as a tv series. Its not near as gruesome/dark as Martin, but with all the sorcery and battles that go on throughout the series. It would definitely make for a good watch.
 

EffinHard

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when i finished book three and had to wait for what i thought would be the final and fourth book, i was practically a wreck when i heard there would be 2 more. So i haven't read storm of crows and vow not to until 5+6+7 have been published. I will then go on a marathon of reading and even ... just maybe ... find some LARPING partners.

I hope the HBO production is more Deadwood than Rome.

I hope they are smart about introducing these very distant separate story lines.
 

EffinHard

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Booge said:
I think any of the series by David Eddings would work out quite well as a tv series. Its not near as gruesome/dark as Martin, but with all the sorcery and battles that go on throughout the series. It would definitely make for a good watch.
the lack of sorcery is what makes Martins books more intriguing and enjoyable.
 

sheik rock

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EffinHard said:
the lack of sorcery is what makes Martins books more intriguing and enjoyable.
Definitely. The feeling that magic is incredibly rare makes it more...magical.

Also, a lot of fantasy series that have everyday magic don't address how that would completely change the economy and technology of the world.
 

praktik

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sheik rock said:
Definitely. The feeling that magic is incredibly rare makes it more...magical.

Also, a lot of fantasy series that have everyday magic don't address how that would completely change the economy and technology of the world.
Erikson does...;)

At first I wasn't sure but he pulls it off - very cool take on magic, related to the gods which are an active part of the world... But I agree, the more subdued magic of Martin makes the series unique in a genre replete with magic runes and spell casting...
 

DeepSix

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I like the fact that Dragons are mythical in Martin's world as well as ours :D

Oh, when they find out the truth...

But I do have a feeling that as the story unfolds, magic will come back to the world moreso - with the giant beasts to the north and the dragons returning...
 

sheik rock

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praktik said:
Erikson does...;)

At first I wasn't sure but he pulls it off - very cool take on magic, related to the gods which are an active part of the world... But I agree, the more subdued magic of Martin makes the series unique in a genre replete with magic runes and spell casting...
I actually ordered Erikson's first book after reading about it here. Amazon is crafty, always getting me to buy extra books so I can get free shipping.
 

DeepSix

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praktik said:
Have you read the David Keck book "In the Eye of Heaven"? Erikson raves about it and it looked intriguing to me...
Am finishing this now. It's actually very good. Much slower/more subtle than most of the stuff I usually read. There's been criticism that there's not a lot of character development, but I disagree. It's a very intriguing first look at what should be a richly developed world. It's much more of a chivalrous, medieval setting with tournaments, knights, etc., but there are hints at darker things in the works - the way Keck portrays the wizards/priests is interesting.

Another Canadian author I'm interested in reading is Chris Evans (not the actor). He wrote a book called "A Darkness Forged In Fire" which supposedly takes the high fantasy archetypes (his featured race is the Iron Elves) and juxtaposes them with much grittier and realistic combat a la Napoleonic warfare while still maintaining elements of magic etc. It's just been released to hardcover so I'll see if it's available at the library.

Re: "grittier" series, I just bought the whole Black Company series by Glen Cook in a trade paperback. Both Erikson and Evans point to Cook as inspiration, so I thought I'd go straight to the source.

Summer is definitely my reading time!
 

sheik rock

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sheik rock said:
I actually ordered Erikson's first book after reading about it here. Amazon is crafty, always getting me to buy extra books so I can get free shipping.
Finished the Erikson's first book and found it a bit lacking. The story was entertaining, but the prose and characters were a bit lacking. Everyone is constantly grinning or giggling or aghast at something.

It feels a bit like a book that someone wrote as a teenager and then cleaned up a few years later and sent out.

But, that said, it was very readable, I'm reading the biography of Lorenzo De Medici now and I keep falling asleep mid-page.
 

DeepSix

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Me too. Dammit GRRM - get with the program! That's why we're talking about other books in this thread, I guess :D Tides us over until the next one comes out.
 
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