SneakyPete
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Second last episode of the season always the best. I think I'll wait.
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A Game of Thrones: OMG!!! George RR Martin's fantasy set for HBO!!!
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Wiseman
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I am patient therefore better than you.
yeah this one came online later yesterday,
excellent Ep. won't say anything else to avoid spoiling
Exactly why I probably can't wait for Sunday night.
Since I don't download torrents anymore, can somebody please PM a link to Episode 6? That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
basketballjones
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that was fucking bananas
SneakyPete
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Holy shit, Ice dragon!
who saw that coming?
who saw that coming?
Klubmasta Will
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Episode 7.06 (Beyond the Wall): As much as I loved seeing Dragons vs. Frost Giants and Zombies (sooner than expected even), and did expect we would see a Zombie Dragon, and did love so much about this episode, the time/distance logic in this episode was worse than it has ever been.
In the day or so that Jon Snow and crew were trapped in the middle of the frozen lake, (i) Gendry had to run all the way back from where they had travelled beyond the wall (which seemed to originally take more than at least one day), (ii) the raven had to fly south from the wall, past Winterfell (a trip that itself is supposed to be very far, taking months (?) by foot/horse), then south to Dragonstone to give the message to Queen Dany, and (iii) Queen Dany and Dragons had to fly north all the way back. All of this should haven taken several weeks, or even months.
And if Westeros is really so small that a Dragon could fly the entire distance in a few hours, then wouldn't it have made more sense for Dany to lead a Dragon scouting party to look for the Night King and his Zombies (from the safety of the sky), rather than send John Snow and some dudes on foot to try to capture a Zombie somehow without engaging the other Zombies or Frost Giants, which seems like the most retarded plan of all time? Seriously, were they hoping that one of the Zombies would break off from the group to take a piss or something, so that they could grab him without any of the other Zombies noticing? The whole "plan" seemed contrived, to give viewers a quick taste of Dragons vs. Frost Giants and Zombies in this episode.
Big characters aren't dying anymore, possibly because all remaining big characters are needed for the final season.
I'm liking the Arya/Sansa storyline, somewhat. Their interplay is interesting, but Arya's refusal to accept Sansa's explanation for why she wrote the note ("You were a fool to believe that [the Lannisters would spare father if you wrote the note)," is frustrating, as Sansa's belief at that time was very reasonable. Even Cersei and Tyrion were susprised that King Joffrey proceeded to kill Ned Stark at that time, as doing so was a strategically bad move.
Jon/Dany's last scene was perfect, although his calling her "Dany" out of the blue was awkward. His figurative bending of the knee, and her realizing that Jon's heroism and great deeds may surpass her own, were great to watch. I'm not sure why she thinks Jon is "too small" for anything, as the show does not portray Jon as being a little man. Is their mutual reluctance due to their feeling some familial bond with each other, like when Lorraine kissed Marty McFly and said it felt like she was kissing her brother? There is lots of online speculation that Dany and Jon will hook up, which seems odd as viewers now know they are aunt/nephew.
Looking forward to the Season 7 Finale, and what will likely be an awesome cliffhanger. I will not watch a leaked version, unless it is perfect HD quality.
In the day or so that Jon Snow and crew were trapped in the middle of the frozen lake, (i) Gendry had to run all the way back from where they had travelled beyond the wall (which seemed to originally take more than at least one day), (ii) the raven had to fly south from the wall, past Winterfell (a trip that itself is supposed to be very far, taking months (?) by foot/horse), then south to Dragonstone to give the message to Queen Dany, and (iii) Queen Dany and Dragons had to fly north all the way back. All of this should haven taken several weeks, or even months.
And if Westeros is really so small that a Dragon could fly the entire distance in a few hours, then wouldn't it have made more sense for Dany to lead a Dragon scouting party to look for the Night King and his Zombies (from the safety of the sky), rather than send John Snow and some dudes on foot to try to capture a Zombie somehow without engaging the other Zombies or Frost Giants, which seems like the most retarded plan of all time? Seriously, were they hoping that one of the Zombies would break off from the group to take a piss or something, so that they could grab him without any of the other Zombies noticing? The whole "plan" seemed contrived, to give viewers a quick taste of Dragons vs. Frost Giants and Zombies in this episode.
Big characters aren't dying anymore, possibly because all remaining big characters are needed for the final season.
I'm liking the Arya/Sansa storyline, somewhat. Their interplay is interesting, but Arya's refusal to accept Sansa's explanation for why she wrote the note ("You were a fool to believe that [the Lannisters would spare father if you wrote the note)," is frustrating, as Sansa's belief at that time was very reasonable. Even Cersei and Tyrion were susprised that King Joffrey proceeded to kill Ned Stark at that time, as doing so was a strategically bad move.
Jon/Dany's last scene was perfect, although his calling her "Dany" out of the blue was awkward. His figurative bending of the knee, and her realizing that Jon's heroism and great deeds may surpass her own, were great to watch. I'm not sure why she thinks Jon is "too small" for anything, as the show does not portray Jon as being a little man. Is their mutual reluctance due to their feeling some familial bond with each other, like when Lorraine kissed Marty McFly and said it felt like she was kissing her brother? There is lots of online speculation that Dany and Jon will hook up, which seems odd as viewers now know they are aunt/nephew.
Looking forward to the Season 7 Finale, and what will likely be an awesome cliffhanger. I will not watch a leaked version, unless it is perfect HD quality.
Wiseman
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Yeah the time/distance thing was really difficult to set aside. I mean even if you accept they weren't really that far from The Wall so let's say Gendry made it back quickly. And let's say Dragons are crazy fast. There is just no way a raven could be that fast.
I actually really hate the Arya vs Sansa bullshit. Arya has seen enough in her travels to understand weakness and how it can be manipulated. I could be turned around on this if they go with Arya going off the deep end and becoming more and more mentally unstable. But she has been too smart for that so far.
Emilia Clarke was amazing in that last scene.
I actually really hate the Arya vs Sansa bullshit. Arya has seen enough in her travels to understand weakness and how it can be manipulated. I could be turned around on this if they go with Arya going off the deep end and becoming more and more mentally unstable. But she has been too smart for that so far.
Emilia Clarke was amazing in that last scene.
praktik
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Depends if you're a gap filler or a gap finder
We're used to imaging "travel sequences" like their shots over the plains, so i found my "veteran movie watcher" mind kick in and add time, thinking they were much farther than the wall, just cause - well, these sequences are typically used to emphasize that time is passing and its a long journey.
But when buddy ran back - in time to get the raven off?
I basically "filled the gap" - in my mind I realized I was wrong to place that assumption on the sequence and thought "they must have been just a bit further, huh, kind of like an episode of 24 then - sequences were not really passing that much time/distance"
Then i just went with it. These kind of moments seemed to upset gap finders more than gap fillers, at least judging from online comments.
See a lot of people going on about how crazy it is to imagine this long zombie-mining operation to forge these links.
Meh?
These guys have been around thousands of years and fought who knows how many battles and who knows what ruins lie under their feet. They could very easily have tapped resources left behind hundreds of years ago, grabbed these chains from what was at hand from all this millenia of experience. Or they could have mined them 1000 years ago.
But then again, Im a gap filler.
praktik
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I think we're seeing the benefit of real years accruing on the real actors to give the younger generation of actors here some real examples of growth over 7 years. They were all pretty young when it started - I just imagine the real Emilia loved and lost or had some life experience she can channel into great scenes now.
Hope the talk of her being a shitty actress is put to rest this season finally??
Wiseman
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Agreed. That scene should completely turn around opinions of her as an actor (it won't actually though). She conveyed so much with her face without the dialogue. The hand holding was great too. If I am remembering correctly Jon took her hand first as a comforting action over the loss of a dragon and then she took his hand next and there was some thumb caressing going on. It should be a major turning point for her character and hopefully achieved a lot of what Tyrion was trying to but failing.
Klubmasta Will
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If we were nit-picking, we might ask why, if the Night King is able to hurl ice spears capable of killing a dragon, he did not hurl a few spears at Jon Snow and company while they were sleeping, or why the ice lake was not fully frozen but then froze up again, or why Gendry managed to run all the way back to the wall only to collapse a few feet away from his destination, etc.
I think it is normal to have questions like this, and then to "fill the gap" yourself with a plausible explanation if you can't overlook it.
But the time/distance disparity in this episode was too much to simply overlook.
praktik
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Ya depends - its a spectrum, for me I filled it in immediately.
Wife "found the gap" - thought they were further away too.
Content will put more or less of us in either camp - with lower quality stuff putting more of us in "gap finder" territory. I am a high tolerance "filler" and the wife is slightly more to the gap finder side of the spectrum, without even realizing it I almost always respond to her pointing out of a gap with some reason why it could be that way.
Part of our tv/movie watching banter..
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To each their own I say!
Wife "found the gap" - thought they were further away too.
Content will put more or less of us in either camp - with lower quality stuff putting more of us in "gap finder" territory. I am a high tolerance "filler" and the wife is slightly more to the gap finder side of the spectrum, without even realizing it I almost always respond to her pointing out of a gap with some reason why it could be that way.
Part of our tv/movie watching banter..
'To each their own I say!
Klubmasta Will
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Wiseman
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http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-people-behind-game-of-thrones-admit-this-weeks-resc-1798304996
Good that they are being honest about it:
Good that they are being honest about it:
Wiseman
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I think they could have done a better job with the time/travelling thing and still kept the momentum. One comment I read suggested the Dragons flying over Gendry's head even before he gets to the Wall. The way you explain that: Bran. Bran could have been watching (a little more stealth though than the flock of ravens the Night King took down) and sent a Raven from Winterfell the moment he saw it was going to go south or even before considering his abilities. I think at the very least Bran should have been a part of that episode in some way both for the drama at Winterfell between his sisters and the zombie kidnapping mission.
Klubmasta Will
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The Season 7 Finale (7.07 - The Dragon and the Wolf) was fun times. Better than Mayweather vs. McGregor, although about as predictable. With only six more episodes left (being Season 8), I'm not sure it's possible for the show to have any more big surprises. Everything seems to be wrapping up now.
The Ice Dragon was awesome. I did not expect its ice-fire to be capable of toppling The Wall. That scene was visually spectacular, as was the scene of the zombie/giant horde slowly lumbering south into Westeros.
The Big Meeting in King's Landing was great, as were all the mini-reunions (Lannister kids, Hound & Brienne, Hound & Mountain, Brienne & Jamie, Tyrion & Bronn, Bronn & Podrick, et al.) and the momentous first encounter between the Two Queens. One could argue that there were so MANY huge meetings/moments crammed into this episode that all of them were somewhat weakened, as none of those moments were afforded the time to properly breathe and be absorbed.
Hopefully, Tyrion will not be fooled by Cersei's betrayal. Was that the only reason why Cersei did not have Tyrion killed, so that she could add credibility to her fake support of the other armies? Will Jaime spill the beans on Cersei's betrayal plans now that he has left Cersei's army to fight with the good guys?
The killing of Littlefinger was an okay scene. Although his character had become increasingly lame in recent seasons, he was still the main character responsible for Ned Stark's death. It was satisfying to see him cry before Arya slit his throat. It was unclear whether the Stark Sisters had planned this from the start. The awkward scene between the Stark Sisters in the previous episode (when Arya pulled the knife and threatened Sansa) did not take place in Littlefinger's presence, so that scene was a genuine interaction between the sisters. Who knows what happened after that scene to make them both realize that they were being played by Littlefiinger?
Now that Jon/Dany have consummated their alliance, will they freak out upon discovering that Dany is Jon's aunt, or will they just shrug it off because incest is so commonplace in Westeros? Will Dany give up her claim on the throne if it is revealed that Jon is the next Targaryen in line? Will Jon want the title, or will he honour his bending of the knee?
Will any of the Dire Wolves make it to the Big Showdown?
So much to cover in only six more episodes, which apparently will not begin until 2019.
The Ice Dragon was awesome. I did not expect its ice-fire to be capable of toppling The Wall. That scene was visually spectacular, as was the scene of the zombie/giant horde slowly lumbering south into Westeros.
The Big Meeting in King's Landing was great, as were all the mini-reunions (Lannister kids, Hound & Brienne, Hound & Mountain, Brienne & Jamie, Tyrion & Bronn, Bronn & Podrick, et al.) and the momentous first encounter between the Two Queens. One could argue that there were so MANY huge meetings/moments crammed into this episode that all of them were somewhat weakened, as none of those moments were afforded the time to properly breathe and be absorbed.
Hopefully, Tyrion will not be fooled by Cersei's betrayal. Was that the only reason why Cersei did not have Tyrion killed, so that she could add credibility to her fake support of the other armies? Will Jaime spill the beans on Cersei's betrayal plans now that he has left Cersei's army to fight with the good guys?
The killing of Littlefinger was an okay scene. Although his character had become increasingly lame in recent seasons, he was still the main character responsible for Ned Stark's death. It was satisfying to see him cry before Arya slit his throat. It was unclear whether the Stark Sisters had planned this from the start. The awkward scene between the Stark Sisters in the previous episode (when Arya pulled the knife and threatened Sansa) did not take place in Littlefinger's presence, so that scene was a genuine interaction between the sisters. Who knows what happened after that scene to make them both realize that they were being played by Littlefiinger?
Now that Jon/Dany have consummated their alliance, will they freak out upon discovering that Dany is Jon's aunt, or will they just shrug it off because incest is so commonplace in Westeros? Will Dany give up her claim on the throne if it is revealed that Jon is the next Targaryen in line? Will Jon want the title, or will he honour his bending of the knee?
Will any of the Dire Wolves make it to the Big Showdown?
So much to cover in only six more episodes, which apparently will not begin until 2019.
Krzysiu
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I don't think Daenerys will be too off-put by the oedipal booty-boat action, the Targaryens have a history of bro-sis coupling to keep the Valyrian blood pure.
Jon's another story. Shunned by the redheaded matriarch of his adoptive family - a southlander - the first woman he hooks up with is a redheaded wilding, the antithesis of his foster-mom, Catelyn, save the red hair theme. Now he's boinking his aunt, and probably with father a human child with her, as not-so-subtly hinted at in that dialogue in the Dragonpit.
Good. All men shall die. Only one dragon left…. and I hope it's Rhaegal because he gets the least love of all the sky-fire-death-snakes.
Jon's another story. Shunned by the redheaded matriarch of his adoptive family - a southlander - the first woman he hooks up with is a redheaded wilding, the antithesis of his foster-mom, Catelyn, save the red hair theme. Now he's boinking his aunt, and probably with father a human child with her, as not-so-subtly hinted at in that dialogue in the Dragonpit.
Good. All men shall die. Only one dragon left…. and I hope it's Rhaegal because he gets the least love of all the sky-fire-death-snakes.
SneakyPete
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- I don't think the sisters planned it from the start, I think that was a genuine interaction between the sisters in the previous episode. I think when Sansa said she's a slow learner but she learns eventually suggested this. Bran may have explained things for Sansa.
- I don't think Jon will want the title. His conversation with Theon suggests he will see himself as not just a Targaryen but a Stark and a Targaryen.
praktik
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