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A daisy of a Pickle

Mike Richards

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2 part Question:

Do you think (on some level) The KKK is a Terrorist organization?

&

Do you think the US doesn't even need to leave their own house to eliminate terror?
 

derek

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yes to both questions, and i'll go one step further, and suggest the us admin is a terrorist state.

peace,

derek
 

OTIS

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The CIA by the US's own definition shows that it's routinely the largest example of state sponsored terrorism in the world.
 
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derek

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Originally posted by Mike Richards
Interesting...How so?
internally to the us guns alone pose a larger terrorist threat to the population than any outside source. they have christian fundalmentialist groups who have demonstrated that they are capable of violence.

the proof of the us admin being a terrorist state is shown in their previous and current attempts to bring democracy to other nations. during the cold war it was a chess game with the ussr, and third world countries that had pro-agrarian policies with more even distribution of wealth were deemed communist. coups & invasions were the flavor for the next 30 years. they bombed the shit out of south vietnam during tet in an attempt to bring democracy. even cambodia where they weren't suppose to be.

currently, well when someones lies are the foundation for an invasion, and get a way with it . when the answer to every possible threat is violence, and the unexploded cluster bombs (mines) threaten to injury or kill innocent (non combatant) people. then that someone is a terrorist.

peace,

derek
 

Mike Richards

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Originally posted by OTIS
The CIA by the US's own definition shows that it's routinely the largest example of state sponsored terrorism in the world.
By that logic then all forms of espionage are deemed as terrorist so I agree. Instilling the fear of knowing that the US is actively searching out intelligence (militarilly and non) on other nations. It is however only nations that seem to have things to hide. If the US needs or wants info on Canada I'm sure there would be no problem providing whatever they need. It's when that info requested is not provided for illogical reasons that red flags are raised. It has nothing to do with an invasion of privacy. It has everything to do with security.
If the US is asking for info and providing a valid reason for the request I wouldn't consider it terrorism. I don't think there has been an unreasonable demand but I could be wrong. Politics interests me but I don't actively research it.
 

OTIS

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Originally posted by Mike Richards
By that logic then all forms of espionage are deemed as terrorist so I agree. Instilling the fear of knowing that the US is actively searching out intelligence (militarilly and non) on other nations. It is however only nations that seem to have things to hide. If the US needs or wants info on Canada I'm sure there would be no problem providing whatever they need. It's when that info requested is not provided for illogical reasons that red flags are raised. It has nothing to do with an invasion of privacy. It has everything to do with security.
If the US is asking for info and providing a valid reason for the request I wouldn't consider it terrorism. I don't think there has been an unreasonable demand but I could be wrong. Politics interests me but I don't actively research it.
The CIA has not been an information kiosk since Eisenhower. It's main role after that were covert operations, mostly to penetrate sovereign countries, overthrow their popularly elected leadership, and install a Government that will do their bidding -protecting them with a CIA trained military.. usually killing thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands in the process. This is pure, unadultrated terrorism. When a country is anti-US, it's not because it "hates freedom", it's usually because they were a recipient of one of these operations.
 

derek

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^^

yes. perfect example being 1954 coup in guatemala staged by the cia to oust arbenz. the pyshcologoical warfare they raged is substantial (something likde 3billion dollars worth of terror). not to mention the near 100,000 murders carried out by the cia approved and installed armas. and this was approved by eisenhower. this all start becaus united fruit company was pissed arbenz appropiated land (at a fair price mind you) owned by ufc, and distributed among the peasant population. ufc had good friends in the cia, and they start off very early playing the communist card.

peace,

derek
 
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Ditto Much

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Originally posted by Mike Richards
2 part Question:

Do you think (on some level) The KKK is a Terrorist organization?

Nope, I don't think that the bloods or crips are terrorists either, I accept that the militias are part of there culture as well. The KKK does terrorize and they are evil but they really aren't terrorists.



Do you think the US doesn't even need to leave their own house to eliminate terror?

In a philosphical sense no, in a practical sense 5000 armed idiots even with M16's or Handguns are nowhere near as dangerous as a couple of guys willing to try an destroy a dam, or to tray and put a fertilizer bomb truck into a nuclear reactor. Timmothy McVeigh is relitively unique (not alone) there are occasional singular terrorists but in the US very few are orgsanized.

Europe has some real legitimate terrorist networks, India has had a few, south asia has many, russia has a nice collection. The IRA the PLO, Hammas all of them have resouces, the have large nubers and are able to be mobilized and utilized, they are trained.

Your country bumpkins killing and dragging a black man may very well be far more evil. But there actually are legitimate terrorist groups that are wrth eleminating. Personally I think its best to get rid of them much more quietly.
 

Ditto Much

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I'll agree the CIA is the worst, biggest source, supplier and financer. But reasonably the US isnt going after themselves so lets look at some of the enemies!!!!!




Abu Nidal Organization




September 5, 1973: While still in the framework of Fatah, Abu Nidal occupied the Saudi embassy in Paris, asking the release of Abu Dawud, a Fatah terrorist imprisoned in Jordan during the

September 26, 1976: Attack and take-over of the Semiramis Hotel in Damascus, Syria. Two of the participating terrorists were hanged in public.

October 11, 1976: Attacks on Syrian embassies in Islamabad, Pakistan and Rome, Italy .

November 17, 1976: Attack on the Intercontinental Hotel in Amman, Jordan .

December 13, 1976: Failed assassination attempt against Khadam, the Syrian foreign minister in Damascus, Syria and failed attack on the Syrian embassy In Istanbul, Turkey.

October 25, 1977: Another failed attempt to assassinate Khadam, the Syrian foreign minister, this time in Abu Dhabi. The United Arab Emirates minister of state for foreign affairs is killed during this attack.

January 4, 1978: Assassination of Said Hammami, the PLO representative in London, UK.

February 18, 1978: The senior Egyptian journalist Youssef al-Seba'i, President of the Conference of the Organization for the Solidarity with the Peoples of Africa, Asia and Latin America is killed during an attack on the conference hall.

June 15, 1978: Assassination of Ali Yassin, the PLO representative in Kuwait.

August 3, 1978: Assassination of Izz al-Din al-Kalak, the PLO representative in Paris, France, and of one of his assistants.

August 5, 1978: Attack on the PLO offices in Islamabad, Pakistan.

January, 17, 1980: Assassination of Yussouf Mubarak, director of the Palestinian library-shop in Paris, France.

July 27, 1980: Attack on the children of a Jewish school in Antwerpen, Belgium. Claimed responsibility for the murder of the Israeli commercial attache in Brussels.

May 1, 1981: Assassination of Heinz Nittel, President of the Austrian-Israeli Friendship Association in Vienna, Austria.

June 1, 1981: Assassination of Naim Khader, the PLO representative in Brussels, Belgium.

August 29, 1981: Machiattack on Vienna synagogue, kills two and wounds 17 persons.

June 3, 1982: Attempted assassination of Shlomo Argov, Israeli ambassador to the United Kingdom. The attack will trigger the war Israel waged in Lebanon against the PLO presence.

August 9, 1982: Machine-gun attack on the Jewish restaurant Goldberg in Paris, France.

August 26, 1982: Attempted assassination of the United Arab Emirates's consul in Bombay, India, and attempted assassination of another Kuwaiti diplomat in Karachi, Pakistan.

September 16, 1982: Assassination of a Kuwaiti diplomat in Madrid, Spain.

September 19, 1982: Attack on a synagogue in Brussels, Belgium.

October 9, 1982: One child is killed and another ten people are injured in a grenade and machine-gun attack on the central synagogue in Rome, Italy.

April 10, 1983: Assassination of PLO official Issam Sartawi at the Socialist International conference in Lisbon, Portugal.

Attempted assassination of the Jordanian ambassador to Italy, in Rome.

October 25, 1983: Assassination of the Jordanian ambassador in New Delhi, India. The next day, the Jordanian ambassador in Rome, Italy, is also killed.

November 7, 1983: Assassination of a security guard during an attack on the Jordanian embassy in Athens, Greece.

December 1983: Believed responsible for bombing the French Cultural Center in Izmir, Turkey.

December 29, 1983: Assassination of the Jordanian ambassador in Madrid, Spain.

February 8, 1984: Assassination of the UAE ambassador in Paris, France.

March 1984: Assassination of a British diplomat in Athens, Greece.

March, 24, 1984: A bomb is discovered in the Intercontinental Hotel in Amman, during the visit of Queen Elisabeth II in Jordan.

June 5, 1984: Attempted assassination of an Israeli diplomat in Cairo, Egypt.

October, 27, 1984: Attempted assassination of an UAE's diplomat in Rome, Italy.

November 27, 1984: Assassination of the British High Commissioner in Bombay, India.

November 29, 1984: Bombing of the British Airways offices in Beirut, Lebanon.

Attempted assassination of a Jordanian diplomat in Athens, Greece.

December 4, 1984: Assassination of a Jordanian diplomat in Bucarest, Rumania (Black September).

December 26, 1984: Bombing of PLO leader Hani al-Hassan's home in Amman, Jordan (Black September).

December 29, 1984: Assassination of PLO activist Fahed Kawasmeh in Amman, Jordan (Black September).

March 21, 1985: Bombings of ALIA (the Royal Jordanian Airlines) offices in Rome, Athens and Nicosia (Black September).

April 3, 4, 1985: Rockets fired at an ALIA airliner as it took off from Athens airport (although the rocket did not detonate, it left a hole in the fuselage) and against the Jordanian embassy in Rome.

July 22, 1985: Failed bombing of the American embassy in Cairo.

July , 1985: Bombing of the British Airways office in Madrid (one person killed and twenty seven wounded); five minutes later attack on ALIA offices, two blocks away (two persons wounded). Grenade attack against the Cafe de Paris in Rome (thirty eight people wounded).

November 23, 1985: Hijacking of an Egyptian plane to Malta, where sixty-six people were killed during a rescue attempt by the Egyptian military forces.

December 27, 1985: Major attacks on Rome and Vienna airports, killing sixteen and wounding scores. Attempted hijack of a Pan-Am flight at Karachi airport (22 persons killed).

September 6, 1986: Attack on the Neve-Shalom synagogue in Istanbul, killing twenty-two worshippers.

November 1987: Hijacking of a yacht with its eight Belgian occupants, taken hostage to Libya.

March 1988: A lone gunman attacks an Alitalia airlines crew aboard a commuter bus in Bombay, seriously wounding the crew captain.

May 1988: Simultaneous attacks on the Acropole Hotel and the Sudan Club in Khartoum (eight persons killed and twenty-one wounded.).

July 1988: Following the premature detonation of a car bomb at an Athens pier, in which two terrorists were killed, gunmen aboard the excursion ship City of Poros attacked the passengers, killing nine and wounding ninety-eight.

January 14, 1991: PLO deputy chief Abu Iyad, the most senior official of Fatah after Yasser Arafat, and Abu el-Hol, commander of the Western Sector forces of Fatah, assassinated by an Abu Nidal terrorist in Tunis.
 

man_slut

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^^^^^^ LOL! That game rocks.

Originally posted by Mike Richards
Do you think (on some level) The KKK is a Terrorist organization?
- YES. Oklahoma Bombing. He had ties to the KKK.
 
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