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[2008-2009] Toronto Raptors
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It's going to be Bargs. If you have seen everything I wrote previously about our spacing on defense you'll know that I'm upset about this trade.
Bosh doesn't even try to learn any post moves. Bargs has attempted, at least the guy is trying.
We are going to be forever a perimeter jump shooting team.
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Bargs will assume the 5, although I'm sure we might see some flip flopping with Bargs and Bosh.
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jose ap matrix cb and bargs at the 5 are your starters
SneakyPete
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This deal includes a conditional first round pick going to the Heat.
justin surdit
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I really think this is BC's "statement" trade.
He is basically saying that it's time for CB4 to man up and either run this ship, or BC will look to ship him out by next year's deadline (if not in the offseason this year), and look to go in a different direction.
Here's hoping Bosh is able to start playing a little stronger around the rim (on both ends of the court).....................
He is basically saying that it's time for CB4 to man up and either run this ship, or BC will look to ship him out by next year's deadline (if not in the offseason this year), and look to go in a different direction.
Here's hoping Bosh is able to start playing a little stronger around the rim (on both ends of the court).....................
how do you figure it's a "statement" trade? all it is is a dump of Jermaine's final contract year. I really think nothing more should be read into it than that
Marion cause also be moved to 4 the some times.
He actually does quite well at the 4 when he does play there.
Not to sure about the jump shooting team tag Marion will go to the basket more then outside shooting. Hence his good Offensive rebound numbers. And hey at least we got somebody who can dunk again and play above the rim.
He actually does quite well at the 4 when he does play there.
Not to sure about the jump shooting team tag Marion will go to the basket more then outside shooting. Hence his good Offensive rebound numbers. And hey at least we got somebody who can dunk again and play above the rim.
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Bosh part of a 3 way trade?
Bosh rumor gains steam
Raptors forward would head to Bulls, with Gooden, Thomas to Suns
February 17, 2009
BY BRIAN HANLEY bhanley@suntimes.com
The Amare Stoudemire trade talk still has the Bulls among the teams most involved, but a new scenario making the rounds has the Bulls taking part in a three-team deal that would bring Toronto Raptors star Chris Bosh to Chicago.
The rumored swap would send Stoudemire to Toronto and land the Phoenix Suns a package of players and draft picks from the Bulls, likely to include Drew Gooden and his expiring $7.2 million contract, Tyrus Thomas and a first-round pick.
Gar Forman, the Bulls' director of player personnel who's expected to become general manager once John Paxson gives up day-to-day duties, reportedly has taken the lead in the talks with the Suns.
Other teams said to be interested in Stoudemire are Detroit, Cleveland, Sacramento, Houston and (less likely) Portland. Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry was quoted on NBA.com as saying he doubted he would make any trades by the league deadline Thursday.
Suns president Steve Kerr said last week he expects all talks to go down to the deadline.
The Suns fired first-year coach Terry Porter on Monday and replaced him with assistant Alvin Gentry. The move might signal they are leaning toward keeping Stoudemire, at least until the summer, and making a playoff push. Or it might be an effort to make other teams believe that and increase their offers for the four-time All-Star forward.
Various reports indicate the Suns have been underwhelmed by the offers they have received for Stoudemire, 26. Teams believe Phoenix has little leverage because it needs to shed Stoudemire's contract to get under the $71.15 million salary cap and avoid paying the luxury tax of $1 for every $1 over the limit.
Stoudemire earns $15 million this season and is owed $16.4 million next season, with a player option worth $17.7 million in 2010-11. His agent has said they will want a maximum contract extension of more than $100 million over five or six seasons from the team that trades for him or once he is a free agent.
The 6-10, 230-pound Bosh, also a four-time All-Star, turns 24 next month. He makes $14 million this season and $15.8 million next season, with a player option of $17.1 million in 2010-11.
Porter, who replaced Mike D'Antoni last summer, was unpopular with Suns players. He will be paid more than $4 million remaining on his three-year contract, increasing the team's red ink.
''I hired Terry because I believed he would be able to provide the balance our team needed in order to perform at a very high level,'' Kerr said. ''Unfortunately, the transition from last season to this one proved to be very difficult, and we have not played to our potential.
''It's imperative that we move forward and do what's best for our team. Alvin has been an integral part of our successes the previous four years and knows our talent as well as anyone.''
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1434361,CST-SPT-bull17.article
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Bosh rumor gains steam
Raptors forward would head to Bulls, with Gooden, Thomas to Suns
February 17, 2009
BY BRIAN HANLEY bhanley@suntimes.com
The Amare Stoudemire trade talk still has the Bulls among the teams most involved, but a new scenario making the rounds has the Bulls taking part in a three-team deal that would bring Toronto Raptors star Chris Bosh to Chicago.
The rumored swap would send Stoudemire to Toronto and land the Phoenix Suns a package of players and draft picks from the Bulls, likely to include Drew Gooden and his expiring $7.2 million contract, Tyrus Thomas and a first-round pick.
Gar Forman, the Bulls' director of player personnel who's expected to become general manager once John Paxson gives up day-to-day duties, reportedly has taken the lead in the talks with the Suns.
Other teams said to be interested in Stoudemire are Detroit, Cleveland, Sacramento, Houston and (less likely) Portland. Cavaliers GM Danny Ferry was quoted on NBA.com as saying he doubted he would make any trades by the league deadline Thursday.
Suns president Steve Kerr said last week he expects all talks to go down to the deadline.
The Suns fired first-year coach Terry Porter on Monday and replaced him with assistant Alvin Gentry. The move might signal they are leaning toward keeping Stoudemire, at least until the summer, and making a playoff push. Or it might be an effort to make other teams believe that and increase their offers for the four-time All-Star forward.
Various reports indicate the Suns have been underwhelmed by the offers they have received for Stoudemire, 26. Teams believe Phoenix has little leverage because it needs to shed Stoudemire's contract to get under the $71.15 million salary cap and avoid paying the luxury tax of $1 for every $1 over the limit.
Stoudemire earns $15 million this season and is owed $16.4 million next season, with a player option worth $17.7 million in 2010-11. His agent has said they will want a maximum contract extension of more than $100 million over five or six seasons from the team that trades for him or once he is a free agent.
The 6-10, 230-pound Bosh, also a four-time All-Star, turns 24 next month. He makes $14 million this season and $15.8 million next season, with a player option of $17.1 million in 2010-11.
Porter, who replaced Mike D'Antoni last summer, was unpopular with Suns players. He will be paid more than $4 million remaining on his three-year contract, increasing the team's red ink.
''I hired Terry because I believed he would be able to provide the balance our team needed in order to perform at a very high level,'' Kerr said. ''Unfortunately, the transition from last season to this one proved to be very difficult, and we have not played to our potential.
''It's imperative that we move forward and do what's best for our team. Alvin has been an integral part of our successes the previous four years and knows our talent as well as anyone.''
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/1434361,CST-SPT-bull17.article
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KickIT
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I kinda like this trade proposition by Chad Ford:
1. Raptors send Chris Bosh to the Warriors for Andris Biedrins, Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, Marco Belinelli and a future No. 1 pick
Biedrins
Bosh
Why should the Raptors do it?
Because the writing is on the wall in Toronto. I'm not sure how the Raptors are going to keep Bosh in 2010, and, no, I don't think adding Shawn Marion really helps in the long term. This deal would give them a ton of young talent to rebuild. And the fact that much of it has an international flavor only makes it sweeter for Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo.
Why should the Warriors do it?
You don't get the chance to add an All-Star big man every day. And with Monta Ellis and Corey Maggette, the Warriors would have the building blocks to be special again.
Will it happen?
The biggest question is whether the Warriors, the most dysfunctional franchise in the NBA, could keep Bosh. They would have enough talent to convince Bosh to stay, but their situation is so messed up that it's a big risk.
The second biggest question is whether the Raptors would do it. Colangelo has been pretty adamant that they won't deal Bosh at the deadline. But if they were able to get this much talent in return, he'd have to take a long look.
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If that's what they're offering, I'd definitely consider that deal
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Isn't this what I've already been saying and everyone was biting my head off?
justin surdit
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Umm.....was there another scenario you propsed, b ecause this one was off by three players and a draft pick.....
Basically Ford's reasons for this trade are: a) The Raptors will have a more international flavour and b) The Warriors are going to get a rare chance at an all star big man.
Taking this trade is a big step back for the Raps. Picture this: It's late in the fourth quarter against the 76ers with playoff implications looming. Raps have made a key stop but need to score. Calderon puses the ball up the court and looks to give it to the Raptors key scorer.
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You had me LOL'ing at this part. Do the math on what it will take to actually make the playoffs with 27 games left: they probably need to go 17-10 to even have a remote chance at 8th seed.
I would be shocked if the Raptors traded Bosh this early. I think next year would be the optimal time to trade him. oh and only what was it- three? BIG names have left their teams in free agency years- Hill/Nash and a third, don't remember (shaq?). So don't we have the right to match/exceed any offer given to Bosh?
Anyways I wouldn't pull the trigger so quick.
Secondly;
Taking this trade is a big step back for the Raps. Picture this: It's late in the fourth quarter against the 76ers with playoff implications looming. Raps have made a key stop but need to score. Calderon puses the ball up the court and looks to give it to the Raptors key scorer.
Umm, not Bosh that's for sure- cuz even with him in the lineup it's a guarantee he'll do a fade and miss.
Anyways I wouldn't pull the trigger so quick.
Secondly;
Taking this trade is a big step back for the Raps. Picture this: It's late in the fourth quarter against the 76ers with playoff implications looming. Raps have made a key stop but need to score. Calderon puses the ball up the court and looks to give it to the Raptors key scorer.
Umm, not Bosh that's for sure- cuz even with him in the lineup it's a guarantee he'll do a fade and miss.
KickIT
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Keep in mind, we would have money (from the Marion deal) to sign this player. It would also be shoring up our 2nd unit with good role players. Biedrins is also a pretty underrated player IMO.
The Thunder has acquired center Tyson Chandler from New Orleans in exchange for Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith, according to a league source with knowledge of the negotiations.
The Thunder will also include the draft rights to Devon Hardin, the 50th overall pick in the 2008 draft.
Chandler, 26, is one of the league's best young defensive-oriented centers but has been hampered by chronic foot injuries this season. Chandler is averaging 8.8 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 32 games this year but averaged 11.8 points and 11.7 rebounds in 79 games last year.
The 7-foot-1 center became too expensive for the Hornets, who are in cost-cutting mode and face at $76 million payroll next season. Chandler has two years remaining on his contract after this season worth $24.6 million. He can opt out of the final year of his deal before the start of the 2010-11 season.
Wilcox and Smith both have expiring contracts, which will help New Orleans clear room on its salary cap next season.
The Thunder will also include the draft rights to Devon Hardin, the 50th overall pick in the 2008 draft.
Chandler, 26, is one of the league's best young defensive-oriented centers but has been hampered by chronic foot injuries this season. Chandler is averaging 8.8 points, 8.3 rebounds and 1.4 blocks in 32 games this year but averaged 11.8 points and 11.7 rebounds in 79 games last year.
The 7-foot-1 center became too expensive for the Hornets, who are in cost-cutting mode and face at $76 million payroll next season. Chandler has two years remaining on his contract after this season worth $24.6 million. He can opt out of the final year of his deal before the start of the 2010-11 season.
Wilcox and Smith both have expiring contracts, which will help New Orleans clear room on its salary cap next season.
Yeah, I was going to point out that scenario was improbable, but I forgot.
Even still, at least in any close game Jose can give it to Bosh and think to himself "he's our all star, best player and he should have the ball." If we made the trade with GS, Jose will be thinking "How am I going to get my shot off?". I don't want to watch those Raptors. Even from a strictly entertainment point of view, at least now I get excited thinking that maybe Bosh can win games for us (though he rarely does, btw are there stats on this?).
What player? I think we'll have that cash anyway. We don't need to literally tank the franchise to try to acquire another Bosh-type player when we already have a 'all-star-not-quite-great' guy named Bosh.
KickIT
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I hate our bench.. I think upgrading the 2nd unit while allowing us to go after a max-type player isn't a horrible idea. Think if you play Biedrins, move Bargs to the 4 (where he's more comfortable and more suited to his style of play). Go after the athletic swingman (if it's not Marion) in the FA market, have Randolph/Banks/Kapono at 2 and Jose at the 1.
Then have AP coming off the bench, with Turiaf, Roko, Bellini and Banks/Randolph/Kapono. We'd have a pretty deep team, with good energy players and role type guys. I dunno, I wouldn't look at it as a complete blow up and start over.
Then have AP coming off the bench, with Turiaf, Roko, Bellini and Banks/Randolph/Kapono. We'd have a pretty deep team, with good energy players and role type guys. I dunno, I wouldn't look at it as a complete blow up and start over.