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[2008-2009] Toronto Raptors

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StarvinMarvin

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15 teams have positioned themselves to have $40M+ in cap space that summer
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this point alone is why this dumb turning the Knicks into an all-star team is not going to happen...

plus what happened to all the Bron to the Nets because he's good buddies with Jay-Z(owner or part owner?) and is from the city if I'm not mistaken..

mark may words THREE ALL STARS FRANCHISE PLAYERS will not end up on the same team in 2010

unless one or two are already on the team and a third and or fourth is brought in, by on the team I mean there before free agency
 
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StarvinMarvin

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doughboy said:
LeBron is from Ohio actually... born in Akron.
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thanks!


just going to add that if any of these guys ever want to add being an NBA MVP to their legacies, it won't be playing together I can tell you that much
 
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KickIT

KickIT

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I'm gonna revive this thread on July 2nd, 2010 :)

If any team can do it, it's the Knicks. Bron wants to be equal if not better than Jordan. Only way he can do that is to win championships. Not 1 not 2, but multiple. If say someone like Bosh is willing to be his Pippen, they can do great things. Wouldn't you take that chance?
 
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Pete Rose

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KickIT, check out this article from Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...lug=aw-marburywalsh112708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

For a franchise in full LeBron James-Chris Bosh recruiting mode, there has been little separation of the Knicks’ new order from its dysfunctional past.
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I'm sure by July 2010 the Knicks will have improved their Reputation. But at the same time, we may be a "Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade" away from becoming perennial title contenders.
 
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Pete Rose

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Thunder said:
Like Dwade wants to come north of the border.
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I'm sure alot of players would choose to come north of the border over 20 other small market lame ass American cities - salaries being equal.

The Raps are a good team in a great city.
 
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Genesius

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Pretty good job by the bench last night. Parker played great defence on Johnson. That and some shats going in won the game for the Raps.
 
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kuba

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Let's hope we can keep kobe bryant to at least half of the record breaking 81.

Wonder if JO is going to suit up, because he should have sat the celtics game which would've given him one more game of rest.
 
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Genesius

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O'neal would have helped alot. Bosh had an off night.

I'm looking at the next game to say alot about this team.
 
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Zorro

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Okay I'm going to get ripped a new asshole in here I'm sure, but here it goes.

Although never a big fan, mostly due to his attitude. I am now jumping on the lets get Starbury with the raps bandwagon (is there even one?)

I think that he has a lot to prove, that he will do everything in his power(skills) to show that it was the knicks (League) that were wrong and mistreated him.

I don't know how what he's thinking but he could really fill a nice role sharing minutes with Calderon and playing against the speedier pg's in the league giving us depth on our bench.

for less then 1 season I think this guy will be an animal, why not take advantage of it.
 
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StarvinMarvin

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Zorro said:
Okay I'm going to get ripped a new asshole in here I'm sure, but here it goes.

Although never a big fan, mostly due to his attitude. I am now jumping on the lets get Starbury with the raps bandwagon (is there even one?)

I think that he has a lot to prove, that he will do everything in his power(skills) to show that it was the knicks (League) that were wrong and mistreated him.

I don't know how what he's thinking but he could really fill a nice role sharing minutes with Calderon and playing against the speedier pg's in the league giving us depth on our bench.

for less then 1 season I think this guy will be an animal, why not take advantage of it.
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this doesn't deserve a new a-hole ripping...


it's just the risk is much greater than the reward...on top of that when he was actually getting mins in the Knicks it wasn't anything special, if you ask me he's on the tail end of his career and is just looking for money now


or maybe not because dood is getting paaaaaid right now...lol
 
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Kazoo

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I think Michael Grange of the Globe and Mail summed it up really nicely in his blog, when discussing the state of the Raptors:

It's kind of interesting -- with all the excitement around Brian Burke – to think about what it really takes to build a team that can seriously think about winning a championship. For one thing, it takes studs. I'm not sure that there's ever been a team win anything in any pro sport that wasn't built on guys who were just better than almost everyone else (People like to talk about the Pistons, but Wallace is a stud when he wants to be; McDyess was a stud in his prime and is still an impact player. Richard Hamilton is the modern Reggie Miller. Tayshaun Prince played on Team USA and Billups was a No.3 pick as a combo guard who learned how to be an expert, big, physical point. Ben Wallace turned into one of the best defenders in the game. They may have been overlooked at times in their careers, but they all emerged as elite pros). Then they have to be healthy. They have to want to be there. Then they have to want to be there together. Then they have to have some really good role players doing there thing. And then they have to be lucky. The Lakers have Kobe, who would have been the No.1 pick in the draft had he not been the first shooting guard to come straight out of high school ever, pretty much. And then they take Andrew Bynum in the draft as unknown 17-year-old as the No. 10 pick in 2005. A year or two of college and it's hard to imagine he wouldn't have been a top-three pick. Then you have Gasol who was No.3 in the 2001 draft and probably should have been No.1. Lamar Odom? No.4 in 1999 and there's not much argument with that today. Those are their main guys – everyone at the very least one of the four best players in their draft year and each of them healthy and in their prime or near to it. Then you get your role players: Fisher, Farmar, Walton. And they LOST in the NBA Finals. The Raptors? Nothing even close. Bosh? No doubt. But after that they start two guys not drafted; Parker, who was a late first washout, and Bargnani, right now a somewhat suspect No.1 pick in a weak draft. O'Neal adds to the talent level, but he's not the player he was and is there really a role player who is a difference maker? You can nibble around and make a decent playoff team out of this mix, but I'm not sure how they get better than that unless Bargnani just explodes, frankly. With this exact group – and presuming the best for Bargnani – they're still one elite player in his prime and two really good role players short of being a team that can think about getting to an NBA Finals. All of of this to say that I don't care how good a GM Burke is, if the Leafs are ever going to win a Cup they need to be terrible – like last -- for a few years and draft really well. Just my opinion.
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Genesius

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Kazoo said:
I think Michael Grange of the Globe and Mail summed it up really nicely in his blog, when discussing the state of the Raptors:
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For sure he makes some good points. But he forgot one other thing that winning teams do. Spend money.

And being last for a long time really does nothing to bolster your chances. Boston didn't make their team using high draft picks. The Lakers were never really a bad team. Even Detroit didn't suck for that long.

p.s. I don't like Grange.
 
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Thunder

Thunder

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AP and Bargs have been fun to watch the last couple of games.. interesting to see they don't show up on top of the stat sheet at the end of the game.
 
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Kazoo

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This is from Raptorsblog.com. Pretty good read:

The most depressing thing about this Raptors season is how drearily predictable it's become. When they play a bad team, they're going to win. When they play a good team, they're going to lose. And when they play a really good team, they get their asses handed to them.

The teams the Raptors have beaten this season have a 53-80 record in their other games, and the teams the Raptors have lost to have an 87-36 record in their other games. The Raptors' next four games (at Denver, at Utah, vs. Portland, at Cleveland) are against teams that all have records of 11-7 or better. At the moment, it seems quite likely that the Raptors could lose all four of those games.

Sunday's loss to the Lakers was another disheartening reminder of how soft this team is. They're 29th in Offensive Rebounding Percentage and 22nd in Defensive Rebounding Percentage (the percentage of available rebounds they've grabbed at each end). They consistently give the other team plentiful opportunities for second-chance points while exhibiting no ability to generate those opportunities for themselves. Their offensive sets lack creativity (throw it in to Bosh, stand around, rinse, repeat) and good defensive teams can pack the post to take away Bosh's drive and know that his teammates are unlikely to punish them.

These Raptors are neither good enough to inspire awe nor bad enough to deserve pity. They're just OK and if you ask a non-Raptors fan what he thinks of this team, his reponse is likely to be "Meh."

I'm positive Bryan Colangelo didn't come here to manage a "meh" team, so I think at he's certain to do at least one of two things in December. 1. Fire Sam Mitchell. 2. Make a trade — Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, Jason Kapono, Joey Graham and Kris Humphries are all on the block.

I'm at the point where I would welcome Stephon Marbury to this team with open arms, if only to make things more interesting. This team obviously isn't going anywhere the way it's currently constructed, so something has to give. If the next four games follow this season's trend and the Raptors proceed to go on a skid, that "something" is going to give soon — so hey, maybe that's something to look forward to.
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Thunder

Thunder

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JO is playing tonight.. when really he should still be letting his ankle get better... watch for him to break his own ankle somewhere either late second quarter or midway through the third either jumping for rebound or trying to drive to the net..
 
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