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2004 US Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Politics (deprecated)' started by mondo, Dec 14, 2003.

  1. mondo

    mondo TRIBE Promoter

    I know it's early but...

    The winner of the 2004 U. S. Presidential election will be Howard B. Dean or Wesley K. Clark.

    Although I have heard that GWB will win hands down.
  2. mondo

    mondo TRIBE Promoter

    It may seem apparent now that since Saddam has been captured, Bush will probably win next year's election. I was afraid of this but now it will become reality.

    If Osama gets captured leading up to the election, then it will be a sure thing. 4 more years of global tyranny by the MAN.

    n.b. Is there a point to having a UN?
  3. DaPhatConductor

    DaPhatConductor TRIBE Promoter

    My bet is that it will be somebody who has to return a lot of favours once they're in office.
  4. Boss Hog

    Boss Hog TRIBE Member

    how the fuck can Bush win "hands down"?

    The economy is shit

    No WMD

    No Osama

    9/11 happened due to his "ignorance" (not my belief but most of stupid America actually believes this).

    He may win because of the RIDICULOUS amount of money contributed to his election campaign by the spoils of war, or if Diebold runs a nation-wide electronic campaign (oh! wait! they are!) but it won't be a hands down win. Enough of America realizes what a dangerous fool he is.

    At least, I give Americans that much credit.
  5. DaPhatConductor

    DaPhatConductor TRIBE Promoter

    please keep in mind that the new vote counting SOFTWARE is designed by 3 of the major bakcers of the Republican party... SOFTWARE. how hard is THAT shit to miscount? Hmmm....
  6. mondo

    mondo TRIBE Promoter

    All research indicates that Bush will win.

    I am hoping that Sen.John Kerry will win. He fought in the Vietnam war and I like the way he thinks.

    But really, how much power does the president really have?

    Isn't he just a pawn, a puppet? Does it really matter in the end

    who the president is when it comes down to matters of war?

    Don't you think Clinton would have capitulated?
  7. junglisthead

    junglisthead TRIBE Member

    with saddam captured expect poll numbers to go down with dean

    and expect numbers to start increasing with kerry

    i expect kerry is going to win, as the brothers would have nothing else. Unless of course their game plan with bush is not quite done yet
  8. mondo

    mondo TRIBE Promoter

    Why do you think John Kerry will win? What game plan are you referring to?
  9. Vote Quimby

    Vote Quimby TRIBE Member

    He's getting lucky with the economy. It grew by an annualized rate of 8% last quarter.

    His Medicare reform just passed, and although financially unmanageable, that part doesn't kick in till 2006, so it looks good until one does the math.

    The economy may be what saves Bush his presidency despite his inadvertant previous attempts to fuck it up.

    I still say someone offs him, or at least makes an attempt a la the curse.
  10. Boss Hog

    Boss Hog TRIBE Member

  11. Hi i'm God

    Hi i'm God TRIBE Member

    How much are you offering? Cause my rates are low.
  12. dicksherwood

    dicksherwood TRIBE Member

    Yeah the economy is on its way up although the numbers are skewed by government military spending and the one time tax credit Americans got in the summer. Still it looks good to John and Joan Smith in Iowa.

    That Medicare reform is being touted as the largest single reform in history and there was barely any change! Fckn spin, I can't stand it.

    Dean should be the Democratic candidate, he's the only one with real peacenik credentials, plus he's a doctor and understands Medicare on the front lines. He's went to Harvard (I think) and is from a Wall St. family, he should appeal to Clinton democrats and there are a lot of those. The Gay marriage thing in Vermont is going to kill him in the south and midwest though.

    GWB unfortunately is probably going to win again, thereby giving him a mandate to further restrict personal freedoms, close borders, subsidize US businesses there and abroad, drill in the Alaska Wildlife preserve, further blur the line separating church and state, and all that other good stuff he likes to do. Stupid Americans. I hope somebody offs him.

    I'm sure everyone has seen the footage of Rumsfeld and Hussein shaking hands, how can that not be rocking the foundations at the white house right now?
  13. bambam

    bambam TRIBE Member

    hmmm...the 2004 presidential 'election'. I love reminding people of this but...BUSH WAS NEVER ELECTED PRESIDENT! (remember michael moore? stupid white men?) Bush's 'election' came down to the seven member supreme court judgement, of which 4 members were placed there with the apparent connivance of bush sr. (you know, ex-cia director, ex-president bush)
    So answering this question either way would constitute me assuming that there are going to be free and fair elections in the united states next year. For some reason, i dont think this is part of the plan...call me a cynic. I think its finally been proved: representative democracy DOES NOT WORK.
  14. Colm

    Colm TRIBE Member

    And Paul Martin wasnt elected PM!

    Michael Moore knows (or should know) the specs of the USA's electoral system. Unless a body, outside of the electoral system, usurped a clear victory, the final product is indeed the elected president.

    However I find our North American electoral systems disgusting in the least, for giving us PM's like Chrietien, Mulroons, and pressies like Clinton, Bush & Bush Jr
  15. nusty

    nusty TRIBE Member

    ^its not the system par say but rather the masses of mindless sheep involved in the process.
    I'd rather have our system than some other ones!
  16. starr

    starr TRIBE Member

    Colm, Bush should have lost in Florida - his brother's state...but because of Choicepoint he won. (As far as I understood the system).

    I think he'll win the next election, but largely thanks to Choicepoint. Since voters didn't put up too much of a fight last time (and MOST of them didn't) - then this time it should be far easier to screw over THOUSANDS of people. Even tens of thousands really, who cares if you don't allow black people to vote - it's not like the news media will cover it.

    Choicepoint - a republican's best friend.
  17. mondo

    mondo TRIBE Promoter

    - Weird how things turn out. I actually think that Kerry has a chance against Bush!

    - I know this might seem nuts but how would you feel if Oprah Winfrey ran for office? I think she would win in 2008 if she ran.
  18. Neo-Marxist

    Neo-Marxist TRIBE Member

    Too bad it has been a jobless recovery. He's the first president in fifty years or so to have less jobs at the end of his term than at the beginning. Generally, people don't care about the economy so long as they have a job and can make ends meet.
  19. junglisthead

    junglisthead TRIBE Member

    and this is exactly what happened..........heh

    now all we need from here till election time, is another massive terrorist attack
  20. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Top two dems killing Bush in the polls.

    Top Democrats lead Bush in poll
    WASHINGTON (USATODAY.com) — Democrat John Kerry holds his largest lead yet over President Bush in a head-to-head match-up among likely voters, a new USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup poll concludes, and rival John Edwards also holds a double-digit lead over the president.
    The poll, taken Feb. 16-17, indicates that if the election were held today, Kerry would be chosen by 55% of likely voters, compared to 43% for Bush. In the last polling, Feb. 6-8, Bush held a 49-48 advantage.

    Edwards, Kerry's sole remaining major rival for the Democratic nomination, holds a 54%-44% advantage, the poll indicates. The question has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    The numbers come as both Kerry, a Massachusetts senator, and Edwards, a senator from North Carolina, have maintained a relatively high public profile because of the ongoing Democratic presidential campaign. They also come as questions continue to be raised about Bush's Vietnam-era service in the National Guard.

    Republicans have been skeptical of the head-to-head numbers during the primary season, saying they in part reflect news coverage that focuses on Democratic candidates' criticism. Earlier this month, a Bush adviser said he would rebound in time to win re-election.

    "This is the way the political season works," Mary Matalin, a Bush campaign adviser, told USA TODAY earlier this month. "All of these problems are manageable."

    Democrats hope Bush's troubles signal a decline that will end with an election loss.

    "There is a very strong risk that this president is irreparably damaging his credibility," Joe Lockhart, a former spokesman for President Clinton, said earlier this month.

    The poll indicates Kerry and Edwards hold lesser leads — or no lead at all — when all registered voters are measured. Kerry has a 51-46 edge over the president among registered voters, and Edwards holds a 49-48 edge, a statistical tie.

    Bush's approval rating remained unchanged in the latest poll and remains near the lowest spot of his presidency. It currently stands at 51%, with 46% disapproving and 3% of those polled offering no opinion. Bush's low of 49% — the only time his approval ratings have sunk below 50% in his presidency — came in a Jan. 29-Feb. 1 survey.

    Kerry was by far the choice for the party's nomination among registered Democrats or Democratic leaners in the latest survey, with 65% of those saying he was their Democrat of choice. Edwards trailed at 19%.

    Continuing a decline that has gone on for more than a year, 55% of those surveyed said Bush was honest and trustworthy. That compares to 59% the last time the question was asked in November, and 70% when the question was asked in early January 2003. Sixty-one percent of those surveyed said Kerry was honest and trustworthy.

    The poll indicated Americans felt better about Bush the person than they did about his job performance. Majorities said Bush has strong moral character and is a strong and decisive leader, but less than a majority said Bush generally agrees with them on important issues and has a clear plan for solving the country's problems.

    And only 42 percent agreed Bush did his duty for the country during the Vietnam era, compared to 68 percent for Kerry.

    However, the Vietnam service issue does not to be a key one to voters. Eighty percent of likely voters said Bush's actions while in the National Guard would not have much effect on their votes, and 78 percent said Kerry's combat experience in Vietnam would not have much effect.

  21. Vote Quimby

    Vote Quimby TRIBE Member

    So if Kerry and Edwards are both ahead of Bush, how far ahead would a Kerry-Edwards ticket be of a Bush-Cheney ticket?
  22. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Who knows.. but I like the fact that Kerry has stayed somewhat away from the attack ad model of the past, since that is going to most likely be the style of Bush's campaign, I can only see it hurting him.
  23. Vote Quimby

    Vote Quimby TRIBE Member

    I agree. It seems people lately are sick and tired of the attack style campaign and would rather hear about the issues and how the candidate will handle them.
  24. The Electrician

    The Electrician TRIBE Promoter

    If Kerry wins... he will be assassinated...

    he's a democrat!

    The always kill the people who would bring good change to the world...
  25. DaPhatConductor

    DaPhatConductor TRIBE Promoter

    If Kerry wins my prediction is that Arnie becomes the Republican comeback kid.


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