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°°°what the prog is going on here?

lift

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A few thoughts on the state of this thing most call progressive house...

This should not be viewed as a typical rant about "how boring things are getting" - because it isn't. The views expressed are (obviously) derived from my vantage point in the music world and therefore may not comply with others.

I'm not complaining that there's nothing good out there. I did enjoy Sasha & Digweed last week- but there was something missing. There were no surprises- and I see these two figures as the ones who have surprised me in the past. I remember seeing John Digweed in march of 2000. that set was so unbelievable to me - the kind of music that was presented was unreal -of course it didn't hurt that it was presented by digweed, but it was so forward thinking...

It was about this time last year when I would have been heard saying how impressed I was with the state this music and it's close relatives were in- the pace at which boundaries between genres were being blurred was escalating - and this was making for some fascinating stuff. But at this time this year I'm feeling something different.

Has the name "progressive house" become too much of a genre rather than a concept? i.e.- is it just a label rather than an approach to describing what it's roots are and what it's saying? Or is it an oxymoron to start with? Sure there are a lot of good tracks coming out, but the fact that people sometimes refer to it as "boring old prog" tells me something about what it has become. That statement just baffles me... boring old progressive...

I'd also like to point out some similarities between the current state of progressive house and the whole drum n bass situation a few years ago- things got darker and darker and more homogenous until a lot of people got bored with it (not all people- and not necessarily me- i stilll enjoy selections from all genres of dnb). This is the same sort of thing happening with progressive now. Now the commercialisation of drum n bass may have contributed to it's downhill slide, and if that was the case, then I denounce the new orders and depeche modes involved in this kind of music. Progressive has thusfar eluded the fate that claimed trance... but for how long?

I feel things are at a turning point right now...or are at least accelerating at a greater pace towards this point.

I think things need to either be redefined/renamed - or I need to stop paying attention to labels altogether - but I find this diffucult since I review mixes and have to constantly draw their origins and references.

Or maybe I should shutup and let things happen the way they happen?

I look forward to reading some opinions from both regular progressive forum posters and others who may just lurk most of the time.
 

Nesta

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dave, you should post more often.

the term 'prog' has been battered and abused.

i just like good music now.
 

xtollo

TRIBE Member
When I heard Fergie say he was looking towards the more progressive side of tracks I started to realize how trendy the term had come.

People to this day are fumbling around with the definition.

I heard someone say that Armins set last night at Guv was too progressive for his ears!?! Gawd. I just wish it could be properly defined, is all.

The point you are making is a good one, about forward thinking music, and so on. However, a part of me doesn't want to think so much about what it stands for, but rather how great the track is. Dance music to me is all about dancing. That is a cheap way out of an argument, but it's true.

Who wouldn't want to be progressive? In any sense? And I think thats where the problem lies.
 

TheLiquidFairy

TRIBE Member
pro·gres·sive Pronunciation Key (pr-grsv)
adj.
Moving forward; advancing.


The phrase boring old progressive makes no sense.

XXX
Marian
:smileyface sticking out it's tongue at you:
 

Nesta

TRIBE Member
Marian, do u remember meeting me at S & D?
Was I dreaming?
I think Tearer introduced us.
 
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Lexicon

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Progressive....

Originally posted by xtollo
However, a part of me doesn't want to think so much about what it stands for, but rather how great the track is. Dance music to me is all about dancing. That is a cheap way out of an argument, but it's true.
I gotta agree with the statement above.
I guess too many people tried to define 'progressive' to the extend, they themselves do not even know what it is anymore.
Music has always been going through changes, constantly progressing and evolving, regardless of genre.
There will always be boring tracks around. And tracks you don't fancy will tend to be considered boring and dull. And people need to accept that. If it is boring, find something else, find something new and exciting.

I say, don't pay attention to labels. Don't believe the hype. Like what you like, and enjoy what you like. My musical taste has always been changing and basically that is what that keeps me going. It is about the change and moving on..... that is what progressive is all about. At least to me.
 

TheLiquidFairy

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by Nesta
Marian, do u remember meeting me at S & D?
Was I dreaming?
I think Tearer introduced us.

I probably did meet you actually, though I may not of heard your name/board names properly as we were by hte speakers too much. But I have a strong sense that we did in fact meet.
You said something like "I don't post much on the General Forum but I've seen a few of your posts in the progressive forum"..

XXX
Marian
:smileyface sticking out it's tongue at you:
 

Nesta

TRIBE Member
Originally posted by *TheLiquidFairy*


I probably did meet you actually, though I may not of heard your name/board names properly as we were by hte speakers too much. But I have a strong sense that we did in fact meet.
You said something like "I don't post much on the General Forum but I've seen a few of your posts in the progressive forum"..

XXX
Marian
:smileyface sticking out it's tongue at you:
yeah, i remember meeting you at the beginning of the night.
i think you asked me if they were going to open up the guvernment.
 

Trini

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Originally posted by *TheLiquidFairy*


I probably did meet you actually, though I may not of heard your name/board names properly as we were by hte speakers too much. But I have a strong sense that we did in fact meet.
You said something like "I don't post much on the General Forum but I've seen a few of your posts in the progressive forum"..

XXX
Marian
:smileyface sticking out it's tongue at you:
he was one of the many brown guys out that evening.
 

TheLiquidFairy

TRIBE Member
Okay I do remember him now! Not the brown male thing, the question I asked him.

It was a blast meeting more interesting people that night!
Most of them males, but it's alllll good!

Mmmm Progressive whatever music...

XXX
Marian
:smileyface sticking out it's tongue at you:
 
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