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d.code · 08-12-2005, 03:34 PM

^^

Batman DOES use guns! But only when he really needs them. My referance: Batman: The Dark Knight returns.

Klubmasta Will · 08-12-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by d.code
^^

Batman DOES use guns! But only when he really needs them. My referance: Batman: The Dark Knight returns.

that's a story that takes place in the future. the use of guns symbollizes how much society has changed and how much batman has been forced to change in response.

it is a FUNDAMENTAL characteristic of batman - he does not use guns and he NEVER tries to kill. that's what separates him from other vigilantes and that's the essence of what makes his character unique. he's not a boyscout like superman, and he's definitely got a mean/brutal streak, but he draws a very strong ethical line at killing. many of the best batman books and graphic novels - including frank miller's 'the dark knight returns', alan moore's 'the killing joke' and mark waid's 'kingdom come' - explore this issue at great length.

terrawrist III · 08-12-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
killing joke'

one of my all-time fav graphic novels...it made me come to the not so surprising conclusion that the Joker is one of the most malevolent mutherfuckers to ever grace comicdom

physix · 08-12-2005, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by d.code
Johnny Depp would make an amazing joker!!!!

"however, they already fucked things up in BATMAN BEGINS by removing THE JOKER as being the one who killed his parents."

It was never like that in the comics- and I always thought that was a little lame in the movie.

i think the "joker-as-my-parents'-killer" was more of a metaphysical thing... sort of a representation of "the joker is everything that i sought out to protect the world from" kind of thing... i didn't take it to mean that the Joker actually killed his parents.. Bruce was just projecting the joker there....

(but i guess then he wouldn't have done it without the joker facepaint, i s'pose)

shrug

i'm sure i'm wrong on that.

the tim burton were artsy fartsy attemtps at comic bookdom... and shouldn't be reduced to simple "a piston couldn't take down a jet" comparisons... that wasn't the point of the movie... the point wasn't to bring the realism or authenticity of the comic book to screen, rather the obsurdity of the comic book (and even the TV show) to the screen...

i don't think Burton even expected to do another one....

Klubmasta Will · 08-12-2005, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by physix
i think the "joker-as-my-parents'-killer" was more of a metaphysical thing... sort of a representation of "the joker is everything that i sought out to protect the world from" kind of thing... i didn't take it to mean that the Joker actually killed his parents.. Bruce was just projecting the joker there....

in tim burton's original 'batman' movie, the joker killed bruce's parents. bruce realizes this when the joker says the line "have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?" which he remembered from when his parents were killed.

in 'batman begins,' the killer is the original mugger from the comic books, joe chill.

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the tim burton were artsy fartsy attemtps at comic bookdom... and shouldn't be reduced to simple "a piston couldn't take down a jet" comparisons... that wasn't the point of the movie... the point wasn't to bring the realism or authenticity of the comic book to screen, rather the obsurdity of the comic book (and even the TV show) to the screen...

i wasn't just talking about the pistol shooting down the batplane, i was talking about the entire first two movies. tim burton used the most ridiculous elements from the worst renditions of the character, from the batplane scissors to the joker prancing around in a music video to the brainwashed penguins running around with rocket launchers. he had no respect for the actual CHARACTERS he was using, as evident by batman trying to KILL the joker with batplane guns and the penguin (who should be a criminal mastermind) being lured around by a piece of raw fish.

i used to hate hearing everyone talk about how it was so wonderful that tim burton was making a "dark" version of the batman. "dark" is supposed to refer to more than just the colour of his costume. tim burton's version was campy and insulting to the source material.

it wasn't even just that the movie wasn't 'realistic.' i have no problem with fantastical stories, as long as they make SENSE. in burton's movie, there were so many elements - such as why batman's bullets and missiles seemed to go right through the joker - that made NO SENSE and were not even explained. (if someone can give an explanation for that scene, i'd love to hear it.) it's as if tim burton figured, "hey, it's just a comic book movie, it doesn't HAVE to make sense."

his movies reeked of a lacklustre attitude and a lack of understanding of the things that make the batman mythos the most respected in the history of the comic book industry.

in kevin smith's lecture-movie - the one where they show clips of his lectures at various universities - he mentions a telephone conversation that he had with tim burton, in which he asked tim burton if he stole a scene from 'planet of the apes' from a particular comic book. tim burton's response was apparently a scoffing "AS IF i would ever read a comic book." to me, that lack of respect for the source material was abundantly evident in his two batman movies.

physix · 08-12-2005, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
in tim burton's original 'batman' movie, the joker killed bruce's parents. bruce realizes this when the joker says the line "have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?" which he remembered from when his parents were killed.

i still don't think we were supposed to take that "flashback" literally... i'm pretty sure it was meant to be a psychological projection... i mean... some 9 yr old suddenly remembering too the tea the killer of his parents some 20 year later?

but i guess... dif't strokes...

that's how i chose to interpret that "flashback".... and it helps me sleep at night.

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
tim burton's response was apparently a scoffing "AS IF i would ever read a comic book." to me, that lack of respect for the source material was abundantly evident in his two batman movies.

more to the point, it's a TIM BURTON movie... it doesn't have to make sense...

and "being an artist" means you did need respect for the original source material...

don't it?

Dr Funk MD · 08-12-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by d.code
Johnny Depp would make an amazing joker!!!!

I've been saying this since I saw the last movie. He'd be fucking brilliant!

Klubmasta Will · 08-12-2005, 09:17 PM

i dunno, as much as i sometimes like johnny depp, i'm not at all convinced that he could pull off the joker. he could probably do the retarded campy tim burton version of the joker

, but i'm not sure how convincing he'd be as the sadistic maniac version that will hopefully be portrayed in the next movie.

like i wrote in the 'batman begins' thread, i HOPE they don't shy away from portraying the joker as the vicious homicidal maniac that he should be. he should not be jack nicholson prancing around like he's in a music video; he should be beating kids to death with crowbars (source: 'a death in the family') and raping girls in front of their fathers just to see the torment in their eyes (source: 'the killing joke').

christian bale is reportedly trying to convince warner bros. to release TWO VERSIONS of the next batman movie: a restricted version (which has awesome potential) and a slightly tamer PG-AA version for the squeamish. i personally think this is a BRILLIANT idea. it would please all the fans, and they would probably get loads of people seeing the movie twice - i.e. once with their kids and then again to see the restricted version.

of all the actors being discussed for the role of the joker, i like sean penn, paul bettany and crispin glover best.

physix · 08-12-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will

christian bale is reportedly trying to convince warner bros. to release TWO VERSIONS of the next batman movie: a restricted version (which has awesome potential) and a slightly tamer PG-AA version for the squeamish. i personally think this is a BRILLIANT idea. it would please all the fans, and they would probably get loads of people seeing the movie twice - i.e. once with their kids and then again to see the restricted version.

i've been talking this yang for years, actually.

i know HORDES of people who refuse to go see
horror movies that are pg-13 because they KNOW
it'll be shite...

having one r-rated version and one pg-13 version
is the best route to go...

chances are, they actually started with an r-rated
version (trying to get away with as much as possible)
and then had it edited down anyway... it's not like
they'd be doing any more work...

kudos to bale for making sense.

sweetdaddy · 08-20-2005, 03:48 PM

hey
what are the main SUPERHERO websites again

one is called NETFORCE or something.

anyway..

can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc.

I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

Dr Funk MD · 08-20-2005, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
of all the actors being discussed for the role of the joker, i like sean penn, paul bettany and crispin glover best.

Out of those three I like Crispin Glover the best but I don't know if he's manic enough. He plays a good crazy but more of a quiet creepy crazy.

el presidente Highsteppa · 08-20-2005, 09:14 PM

V for Vendetta is going to now be released in March.

Klubmasta Will · 08-22-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by el presidente Highsteppa
V for Vendetta is going to now be released in March.

some think they pushed the release date back on purpose, because the story deals with a terrorist bombing the shit out of london.

i wonder if they realize that the new release date - march 17, 2006 - actually coincides with st. patrick's day. and if they do realize (which i'm sure they do), then that could be viewed as a pretty bold statement.

el presidente Highsteppa · 08-22-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by Klubmasta Will
some think they pushed the release date back on purpose, because the story deals with a terrorist bombing the shit out of london.

i wonder if they realize that the new release date - march 17, 2006 - actually coincides with st. patrick's day. and if they do realize (which i'm sure they do), then that could be viewed as a pretty bold statement.

I think it's just simply because of the competition it's facing for that opening weekend. One of which is Jarhead, a best selling account of the Gulf War that many are saying will have a good run at the Oscars.

sweetdaddy · 08-28-2005, 03:22 PM

hey
what are the main SUPERHERO websites again

one is called NETFORCE or something.

anyway..

can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc.

I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

physix · 09-04-2005, 04:05 PM

HOLY SHIT!

Joss Whedon to write and direct WOMAN WOMAN,
slated to come out 2007!!!

i can't fuckin' wait!

el presidente Highsteppa · 09-04-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by physix
HOLY SHIT!

Joss Whedon to write and direct WOMAN WOMAN,
slated to come out 2007!!!

i can't fuckin' wait!

Do you mean Wonder Woman?

enjiro · 09-04-2005, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by el presidente Highsteppa
Do you mean Wonder Woman?

Nah.. he was probably right..

"When one just isn't enough, come see WOMAN WOMAN!!"

physix · 09-04-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by el presidente Highsteppa
Do you mean Wonder Woman?

see how excited i was?

too busy tending to the hardon i got to type correctly.

sweetdaddy · 09-04-2005, 07:07 PM

hey
what are the main SUPERHERO websites again

one is called NETFORCE or something.

anyway..

can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc.

I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

bombthreat23 · 09-08-2005, 09:05 AM

FDM has learned that Topher Grace of That 70s Show will play the immortal VENOM in Sam Raimi's third Spiderman adaptation. We told you guys a few months back that "someone" has snagged the rights to the character of Venom off of New Line Cinema and it was reported a few days ago that Grace had been "bulking up"- so we decided it was time to put the pressure on. So there you have it VENOM! Now as for the other two stars listed above we've been told that Thomas Haden Church will in fact play SANDMAN and that James Franco will play HOBGOBLIN and not the Green Goblin II (like in the comics). No more info can be given at this time, but I've confirmed this with various sources and apparently it's quite well known.

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/new...ll&NewsID=3355

Flashy_McFlash · 09-08-2005, 09:10 AM

What?

So I wonder if they will have Spidey bond with the Symbiote for a bit, and then have it transferred to Topher. I am hoping that Venom would be more CGI than anything else, because even a bulked-up Topher is wildly inappropriate for Brock/Venom. They could've gone with someone a bit bigger or more imposing...hell even The Rock would work.

Hi i'm God · 09-08-2005, 09:13 AM

OMG that fucking BLOWS. He's an alright actor but Venom?! Come on. I have yet to really enjoy these spidy flicks, their choice in actors leaves much to be disired.

Aerius Zension · 09-08-2005, 09:59 AM

Maybe they can get Paris Hilton to play Rhino. That would be a more accurate depiction.

Eclectic · 09-08-2005, 10:07 AM

Guys chill....I'm sure Venom himself will be mostly CGI, there's no way they can put that mouth on a costume and make it work properly.

I think they chose Topher to play Eddie Brock because he kinda looks like Toby McGuire so I think they're going to play off the "Eddie Brock is the evil Peter Parker" angle......

Either that or they'll toss a bit of Ultimate Spider-Man storyline in there and have them be friends from childhood or something.

08-12-2005, 09:17 PM	#833
Klubmasta Will TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: centre of the universe Posts: 17,275	johnny depp as joker? i dunno, as much as i sometimes like johnny depp, i'm not at all convinced that he could pull off the joker. he could probably do the retarded campy tim burton version of the joker , but i'm not sure how convincing he'd be as the sadistic maniac version that will hopefully be portrayed in the next movie. like i wrote in the 'batman begins' thread, i HOPE they don't shy away from portraying the joker as the vicious homicidal maniac that he should be. he should not be jack nicholson prancing around like he's in a music video; he should be beating kids to death with crowbars (source: 'a death in the family') and raping girls in front of their fathers just to see the torment in their eyes (source: 'the killing joke'). christian bale is reportedly trying to convince warner bros. to release TWO VERSIONS of the next batman movie: a restricted version (which has awesome potential) and a slightly tamer PG-AA version for the squeamish. i personally think this is a BRILLIANT idea. it would please all the fans, and they would probably get loads of people seeing the movie twice - i.e. once with their kids and then again to see the restricted version. of all the actors being discussed for the role of the joker, i like sean penn, paul bettany and crispin glover best.

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08-12-2005, 03:34 PM	#826
d.code TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: pixel pig. Posts: 11,080	^^ Batman DOES use guns! But only when he really needs them. My referance: Batman: The Dark Knight returns.

08-20-2005, 03:48 PM	#835
sweetdaddy TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fantasy Posts: 6,185	hey what are the main SUPERHERO websites again one is called NETFORCE or something. anyway.. can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc. I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

08-20-2005, 09:14 PM	#837
el presidente Highsteppa TRIBE Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Carpe testes e yazz floote. Posts: 45,033	V for Vendetta is going to now be released in March.

08-28-2005, 03:22 PM	#840
sweetdaddy TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fantasy Posts: 6,185	hey what are the main SUPERHERO websites again one is called NETFORCE or something. anyway.. can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc. I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

09-04-2005, 04:05 PM	#841
physix TRIBE Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tribe Shens Posts: 6,038	HOLY SHIT! Joss Whedon to write and direct WOMAN WOMAN, slated to come out 2007!!! i can't fuckin' wait!

09-04-2005, 07:07 PM	#845
sweetdaddy TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fantasy Posts: 6,185	hey what are the main SUPERHERO websites again one is called NETFORCE or something. anyway.. can someone past links to the sites that talk latest news about transformers, x-men, superman etc. I can't fo rthe life of me remember them, and i can't find anything but SUPERHEROHYPE.com while searching.

09-08-2005, 09:05 AM	#846
bombthreat23 TRIBE Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 4,908	FDM has learned that Topher Grace of That 70s Show will play the immortal VENOM in Sam Raimi's third Spiderman adaptation. We told you guys a few months back that "someone" has snagged the rights to the character of Venom off of New Line Cinema and it was reported a few days ago that Grace had been "bulking up"- so we decided it was time to put the pressure on. So there you have it VENOM! Now as for the other two stars listed above we've been told that Thomas Haden Church will in fact play SANDMAN and that James Franco will play HOBGOBLIN and not the Green Goblin II (like in the comics). No more info can be given at this time, but I've confirmed this with various sources and apparently it's quite well known. http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/new...ll&NewsID=3355

09-08-2005, 09:10 AM	#847
Flashy_McFlash Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 51,854	What? So I wonder if they will have Spidey bond with the Symbiote for a bit, and then have it transferred to Topher. I am hoping that Venom would be more CGI than anything else, because even a bulked-up Topher is wildly inappropriate for Brock/Venom. They could've gone with someone a bit bigger or more imposing...hell even The Rock would work.

09-08-2005, 09:13 AM	#848
Hi i'm God TRIBE Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brockway, Audbinville, and North Haverbrooke! Posts: 11,399	OMG that fucking BLOWS. He's an alright actor but Venom?! Come on. I have yet to really enjoy these spidy flicks, their choice in actors leaves much to be disired.

09-08-2005, 09:59 AM	#849
Aerius Zension TRIBE Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: I once bit into a burrito and there was a child's shoe in it Posts: 9,828	Maybe they can get Paris Hilton to play Rhino. That would be a more accurate depiction.

09-08-2005, 10:07 AM	#850
Eclectic TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Saskatoooooooooon! Posts: 14,917	Guys chill....I'm sure Venom himself will be mostly CGI, there's no way they can put that mouth on a costume and make it work properly. I think they chose Topher to play Eddie Brock because he kinda looks like Toby McGuire so I think they're going to play off the "Eddie Brock is the evil Peter Parker" angle...... Either that or they'll toss a bit of Ultimate Spider-Man storyline in there and have them be friends from childhood or something.