Mackenzie Philips: I slept with my dad

erika · 09-24-2009, 08:46 PM

^father daughter incest unfortunately
in some parts of this city, in some communities, it can be the main reason for sexual assault...

JESuX · 09-24-2009, 09:35 PM

man, that is so, so sad.

ugh.

ila · 09-24-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernnie Federko

Sorry, what's not too uncommon?

In my life, I've known 3 women who have had their own fathers violate them sexually. I have heard similar stories about others through friends.

It's not as uncommon as you might think. Not at all.

Bernnie Federko · 09-24-2009, 09:45 PM

Yikes! Incest isn't that uncommon?!!!

synchronizator · 09-24-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rubytuesday

To accuse her of lying for the purpose of money-grubbing without any knowledge or experience with parental abuse and the damage it can cause is really callous.

to accuse me of being callous for thinking these might be lies because you think i have no knowledge or experience with parental abuse and the damage it can cause is just ignorant. it's none of your business what the story is behind my knowledge and experience of lying about abuse, but let's just say i've been smack in the middle of a situation with someone i knew very well back in the day, and it's more disgusting to lie about the situation than it is to have it actually happen to you.

so no, i'm not callous. i'm just careful about what i believe now, in ANYTHING like this.

end rant.

ila · 09-24-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernnie Federko

Yikes! Incest isn't that uncommon?!!!

based on the number of people I know who have had sex with their own dads, no. it's not as uncommon as you might hope.

ila · 09-24-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by synchronizator

let's just say i've been smack in the middle of a situation with someone i knew very well back in the day, and it's more disgusting to lie about the situation than it is to have it actually happen to you.

yeah no. I think having sex with your own daughter is worse.

Bumbaclat · 09-24-2009, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ila

based on the number of people I know who have had sex with their own dads, no. it's not as uncommon as you might hope.

maybe your friends just have uncommonly attractive fathers?

ndrwrld · 09-24-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ila

based on the number of people I know who have had sex with their own dads, no. it's not as uncommon as you might hope.

so you know people who have had sex with their fathers ?
or you know people who have had their fathers sexually abuse them ?

Bernnie Federko · 09-24-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by erika

^father daughter incest unfortunately
in some parts of this city, in some communities, it can be the main reason for sexual assault...

what parts and what communities are those?

I want to know a little more about this, plz.

acheron · 09-24-2009, 10:37 PM

"well I know XX people who did ABC and D and that means that it's a phenomenon, sweeping the nation."

"X is lying because I don't trust them. I really don't know them or anything about them, but I'm more trustworthy about their life experience than they are, clearly. I don't trust them from the get-go and that's all anyone else needs to know."

<Miscellaneous arguments about whether two people can have the same opinion, argued slightly differently, but one of them must be more correct than the other.>

erika · 09-24-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bernnie Federko

what parts and what communities are those?

I want to know a little more about this, plz.

Well I used to work for an organization that is involved in keeping the peace in this city - heavily involved shall we say.

They would get calls for the neighbourhood around where I am actually that started out as a disturbance, or a domestic, and that would turn out to be a sexual assault/incest case. A noticeable number of them.
I'm not going to cast aspersions on any community on this board publicly, but it was shocking to me to find this out.

synchronizator · 09-24-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by acheron

"well I know XX people who did ABC and D and that means that it's a phenomenon, sweeping the nation."

"X is lying because I don't trust them. I really don't know them or anything about them, but I'm more trustworthy about their life experience than they are, clearly. I don't trust them from the get-go and that's all anyone else needs to know."

<Miscellaneous arguments about whether two people can have the same opinion, argued slightly differently, but one of them must be more correct than the other.>

hi hamish!

acheron · 09-24-2009, 11:22 PM

Hey Jess!

rubytuesday · 09-25-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by synchronizator

to accuse me of being callous for thinking these might be lies because you think i have no knowledge or experience with parental abuse and the damage it can cause is just ignorant. it's none of your business what the story is behind my knowledge and experience of lying about abuse, but let's just say i've been smack in the middle of a situation with someone i knew very well back in the day, and it's more disgusting to lie about the situation than it is to have it actually happen to you.

so no, i'm not callous. i'm just careful about what i believe now, in ANYTHING like this.

end rant.

I think your response is callous because you're saying she's broke, she's mentally ill, she's a recovering drug addict, therefore she's lying. I think it's super harsh to blame the victim straight away when it's clearly her own family who messed her up, whether or not her dad also sexually abused her on top of all of that. No one is denying her allegations that he injected her with drugs while she was a child, so why is it such a stretch that he might also have broken another huge boundary? It's unreasonable to question her because she's done drugs and to ignore all of the insane things about her father. Her sister Bijou Phillips was put into foster care at one point because neither of her parents was fit to raise her.

wayne kenoff · 09-25-2009, 02:22 AM

fatherfucker!

green_souljah · 09-25-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by erika

Well I used to work for an organization that is involved in keeping the peace in this city - heavily involved shall we say.

They would get calls for the neighbourhood around where I am actually that started out as a disturbance, or a domestic, and that would turn out to be a sexual assault/incest case. A noticeable number of them.
I'm not going to cast aspersions on any community on this board publicly, but it was shocking to me to find this out.

My fiance worked for a time as a courthouse clerk here in 705. I forget what her actual position was but she was privvy to cases that were happening. She said the number of incest cases were enough to make you sick. It actually was a huge part in turning her off law on the whole, just how disgusting some people can act.

ila · 09-25-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ndrwrld

so you know people who have had sex with their fathers ?
or you know people who have had their fathers sexually abuse them ?

same thing. having sex with your teenage daughter (even if she's willing) is abuse. a lot of the times the victims of sexual abuse in families are seemingly willing, in that they go along with it for whatever reason (attention, guilt, love) and even enjoy it on a physical level, making it all the more complicated and abusive, imo.

I don't know anyone (or I'm not aware of it if I do) who has had sex with their own father into adulthood though.

Flashy_McFlash · 09-25-2009, 10:45 AM

What I'd like to know is when we started paying attention to the crazy rantings of synchro?

acheron · 09-25-2009, 11:03 AM

if you play "California Dreamin' backwards this is what you hear:

"Incest is best
let your mother do your brother
let your father do the rest
and remember folks, keep it in the family"

JamesM · 09-25-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by acheron

if you play "California Dreamin' backwards this is what you hear:

"Incest is best
let your mother do your brother
let your father do the rest
and remember folks, keep it in the family"

but with like a heavy metal undertone? like if it were rob zombie saying it. right?

acheron · 09-25-2009, 11:09 AM

yeah now we're talkin

MissBlu · 09-25-2009, 11:28 AM

this is all just so sad

Ms. Fit · 09-25-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

What I'd like to know is when we started paying attention to the crazy rantings of synchro?

forreals.

Caz · 09-25-2009, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synchronizator

you think i have no knowledge or experience with parental abuse and the damage it can cause

Lunnen doesn't count, Jess.

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09-24-2009, 08:46 PM	#26
erika TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Home, not quite ready to say good night Posts: 5,648	^father daughter incest unfortunately in some parts of this city, in some communities, it can be the main reason for sexual assault...

09-24-2009, 09:35 PM	#27
JESuX Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Say, do you like fish dicks? Posts: 27,869	man, that is so, so sad. ugh.

09-24-2009, 09:45 PM	#29
Bernnie Federko TRIBE Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: i like sex and violence Posts: 10,422	Yikes! Incest isn't that uncommon?!!!

09-24-2009, 10:37 PM	#36
acheron TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,253	"well I know XX people who did ABC and D and that means that it's a phenomenon, sweeping the nation." "X is lying because I don't trust them. I really don't know them or anything about them, but I'm more trustworthy about their life experience than they are, clearly. I don't trust them from the get-go and that's all anyone else needs to know." <Miscellaneous arguments about whether two people can have the same opinion, argued slightly differently, but one of them must be more correct than the other.>

09-24-2009, 11:22 PM	#39
acheron TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,253	Hey Jess!

09-25-2009, 02:22 AM	#41
wayne kenoff TRIBE Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: up shit creek Posts: 3,542	fatherfucker!

09-25-2009, 10:45 AM	#44
Flashy_McFlash Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 51,857	What I'd like to know is when we started paying attention to the crazy rantings of synchro?

09-25-2009, 11:03 AM	#45
acheron TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,253	if you play "California Dreamin' backwards this is what you hear: "Incest is best let your mother do your brother let your father do the rest and remember folks, keep it in the family"

09-25-2009, 11:09 AM	#47
acheron TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,253	yeah now we're talkin

09-25-2009, 11:28 AM	#48
MissBlu TRIBE Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Woodlands Posts: 14,953	this is all just so sad