It was........... MURDER!!!

alexd · 08-24-2009, 08:51 PM

Coroner rules Jackson’s death a homicide

Court document reveals singer had lethal levels of propofol in system
msnbc.com news services
updated 7:49 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug 24, 2009

LOS ANGELES - The Los Angeles County coroner has ruled Michael Jackson’s death a homicide, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press, a finding that makes it more likely criminal charges will be filed against the doctor who was with the pop star when he died on June 25.

A designation of homicide means that Jackson died at the hands of another, but does not necessarily mean a crime was committed.

Forensic tests found the powerful anesthetic propofol acted together with at least two sedatives to cause Jackson’s death June 25 in his rented Los Angeles mansion, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings have not been publicly released.

Dr. Conrad Murray, a Las Vegas cardiologist who became Jackson’s personal physician weeks before his death, is the target of a manslaughter investigation by the Los Angeles Police Department. Dateline NBC's Josh Mankiewicz confirmed that Murray is the target of a manslaughter probe.

A search warrant affidavit unsealed Monday in Houston includes a detailed account of what Murray told investigators.

According to the document, Murray said he’d been treating Jackson for insomnia for about six weeks with 50 milligrams of propofol every night via an intravenous drip. But he said he feared Jackson was forming an addiction to the anesthetic, which is normally used in hospitals only, and was attempting to wean his patient by lowering the dose to 25 milligrams and adding the sedatives lorazepam and midazolam.

Singer called propofol his ‘milk’
That combination succeeded in helping Jackson sleep two days prior to his death, so the next day, Murray told detectives he cut off the propofol — and Jackson fell asleep with just the two sedatives.

Then around 1:30 a.m. on June 25, starting with a 10-milligram tab of Valium, Murray said he tried a series of drugs instead of propofol to make Jackson sleep. The injections included two milligrams of lorazepam around 2 a.m., two milligrams of midazolam around 3 a.m., and repeats of each at 5 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. respectively.

But they didn’t work.

Murray told detectives that around 10:40 a.m. he gave in to Jackson’s “repeated demands/requests” for propofol, which the singer referred to as his “milk.” He administered 25 milligrams of the white-colored liquid, — a relatively small dose — and finally, Jackson fell asleep.

Murray remained with the sedated Jackson for about 10 minutes, then left for the bathroom. No more than two minutes later, he returned — and found Jackson had stopped breathing.

“There’s no surprise there” that death could result from such a combination, said Dr. David Zvara, anesthesia chairman at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

“All those drugs act in synergy with each other,” Zvara said. Adding propofol on top of all the other sedatives “tipped the balance.”

Singer had bed sores
Besides the propofol and two sedatives, the coroner’s toxicology report found other substances in Jackson’s system but they were not believed to have been a factor in the singer’s death, the official told the AP.

When he died, Jackson was skinny but not overly emaciated, and his body had bed sores, the official said. The singer is believed to have developed bed sores in the months following his 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges, when he went into seclusion and spent long stretches in bed.

Murray has spoken to police and last week released a video saying he “told the truth and I have faith the truth will prevail.” Murray did not say anything about the drugs he gave to Jackson. Murray’s attorney, Edward Chernoff, had no immediate comment but has previously said Murray never administered anything that “should have” killed Jackson.

A call to the coroner’s office was not returned Monday.

Jackson’s family released a statement Monday, saying it has “full confidence” in the legal process and the efforts of investigators. It concludes: “The family looks forward to the day that justice can be served.”

The 25 milligrams of propofol Murray told police he gave Jackson the day he died “is not a whopping amount,” said Lee Cantrell, director of the San Diego division of the California Poison Control System. But by combining propofol with a cocktail of the other sedatives, known as benzodiazepines, it “may have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge,” Cantrell said.

Cantrell said it’s perplexing that someone would give various benzodiazepines if one was found not to be effective.

“This is horrible polypharmacy,” he said, referring to the interaction between the various drugs. “No one will treat an insomniac like this.”

The affidavit says Murray told investigators he didn’t order or buy any propofol and had found about eight bottles of it in Jackson’s home along with numerous other medications. But investigators served a search warrant Aug. 11 at a Las Vegas pharmacy and uncovered evidence showing Murray legally purchased from the store the propofol he gave Jackson the day he died.

Murray didn’t tell paramedics or doctors at UCLA hospital where Jackson was rushed June 25 about any drugs he administered other than lorazepam and flumazenil, according to the affidavit. The document says it was only during a subsequent interview with Los Angeles Police detectives that Murray gave a more full accounting of the events leading up to the 911 call.

The coroner’s office has not publicly released its autopsy findings, citing a request from police detectives to withhold results until their investigation is complete.

Homicide, or “death at the hands of another,” is one of several possible findings in a coroner’s death investigation. The designation does not necessarily mean a crime was committed though it is a useful starting point for prosecutors, said Dr. Michael Baden, the former chief medical examiner in New York City and a forensics expert involved in many high-profile murder cases.

“It is an easier prosecution when the medical examiner calls it a homicide,” said Baden, who is not involved in the Jackson investigation.

© 2009 msnbc.com

Klubmasta Will · 08-24-2009, 08:57 PM

this should guarantee that MJ remains the lead news story for the next few years. murder trial, trial to figure out who gets his white children, family fight over his estate.

this should be the biggest shitshow of a death in the history of people dying.

DaPhatConductor · 08-24-2009, 08:59 PM

'out in the streets... they call it MURRRRRRDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'

i'm betting it was euthanasia after jacko found out about the 50 nights in a row!

acheron · 08-24-2009, 09:03 PM

the doctor will testify that Michael pleaded with him to do it. bet.

alexd · 08-24-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acheron

the doctor will testify that Michael pleaded with him to do it. bet.

I dunno. My Doc is a friend and and even a fellow photographer too, but if I asked him to give me propofol or morphine or whatever, he would never do it. If I begged him even, I am pretty sure he would decline. Most decent Docs don't just give out the hard stuff when asked by their patients...

Jacko's Doc is going to go down in flames over this i reckon.

xtcfreak · 08-24-2009, 09:34 PM

*yawn*

Jay

rounder · 08-24-2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexd

I dunno. My Doc is a friend and and even a fellow photographer too, but if I asked him to give me propofol or morphine or whatever, he would never do it. If I begged him even, I am pretty sure he would decline. Most decent Docs don't just give out the hard stuff when asked by their patients...

Jacko's Doc is going to go down in flames over this i reckon.

ya but yer not paying your doc $150k a month like jackson was...when you're paying a shady doctor good money chances are you aren't going to hear "no" very often

AshG · 08-24-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klubmasta Will

this should be the biggest shitshow of a death in the history of people dying.

well i dunno, JC would seem to have a lock on that, but time will tell i suppose!

Rajio · 08-24-2009, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rounder

ya but yer not paying your doc $150k a month like jackson was...when you're paying a shady doctor good money chances are you aren't going to hear "no" very often

when you have a $150k/mo cashcow, you dont want it to die einsteen.

Rajio · 08-24-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klubmasta Will

this should be the biggest shitshow of a death in the history of people dying.

im going with rasputin on this one.

screamy · 08-24-2009, 09:52 PM

Jesus, I had actually dared to hope that I would be able to turn on the news and NOT see "our up-to-the-minute continuing coverage of the Michael Jackson saga" within my lifetime.

I guess not, now.

nonlocal · 08-24-2009, 11:18 PM

What-- Michael Jackson died!?

AshG · 08-24-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajio

im going with rasputin on this one.

another contenda!

so far we have: J.C., Rasputin, M.J.

anyone else want to throw a hat in the ring?

solacevip · 08-24-2009, 11:29 PM

Fuck all y'all. I'm still sad he's gone.

ndrwrld · 08-25-2009, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solacevip

Fuck all y'all. I'm still sad he's gone.

who ?

Sal De Ban · 08-25-2009, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshG

another contenda!

so far we have: J.C., Rasputin, M.J.

anyone else want to throw a hat in the ring?

if i could hazard a celeb from 'our' generation how about Cobain, going back a bit further how about JFK? ring any bells?

Rajio · 08-25-2009, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal De Ban

if i could hazard a celeb from 'our' generation how about Cobain, going back a bit further how about JFK? ring any bells?

fuck that. cobain died straight up. hardly a shitshow. and jfk just got shot. big deal.

now rasputine...

stabbed, poisoned, shot, clubbed drowned and incinerated because evidently he will not stay dead. now THATs a shitshow.

Flashy_McFlash · 08-25-2009, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajio

fuck that. cobain died straight up. hardly a shitshow. and jfk just got shot. big deal.

lol wut

deep · 08-25-2009, 09:47 AM

murder was the case that they gave me

praktik · 08-25-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajio

fuck that. cobain died straight up. hardly a shitshow. and jfk just got shot. big deal.

now rasputine...

stabbed, poisoned, shot, clubbed drowned and incinerated because evidently he will not stay dead. now THATs a shitshow.

some of these guys might qualify

acheron · 08-25-2009, 10:07 AM

Elvis, anyone...?

There's a whole buncha people who still can't believe he's dead, indeed. I vote him on the list!

Cobain's death was quick and the aftermath was handled in a fairly efficient manner. He doesn't really count as far as after-death shitshows go.

JFK's death was followed by a year-long investigation and is still in dispute by conspiracy theorists. He's on the list for sure.

Rajio · 08-25-2009, 10:08 AM

elvis for sure

Flashy_McFlash · 08-25-2009, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acheron

Cobain's death was quick and the aftermath was handled in a fairly efficient manner. He doesn't really count as far as after-death shitshows go.

What about all the theories that still persist about Courtney masterminding his death and the whole El Duce affair?

praktik · 08-25-2009, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

What about all the theories that still persist about Courtney masterminding his death and the whole El Duce affair?

I'm agnostic. I watched that Courtney hit-job they show on the Passionate Eye some time ago and it got me thinking but I'm still not sure.

Flashy_McFlash · 08-25-2009, 10:14 AM

I don't necessarily believe it either - I'm just saying that his death wasn't exactly cut-and-dry.

08-24-2009, 08:51 PM	#1
alexd TRIBE editor Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: tousle me softly Posts: 27,789	It was........... MURDER!!! Coroner rules Jackson’s death a homicide Court document reveals singer had lethal levels of propofol in system msnbc.com news services updated 7:49 p.m. ET, Mon., Aug 24, 2009 LOS ANGELES - The Los Angeles County coroner has ruled Michael Jackson’s death a homicide, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press, a finding that makes it more likely criminal charges will be filed against the doctor who was with the pop star when he died on June 25. A designation of homicide means that Jackson died at the hands of another, but does not necessarily mean a crime was committed. Forensic tests found the powerful anesthetic propofol acted together with at least two sedatives to cause Jackson’s death June 25 in his rented Los Angeles mansion, according to the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the findings have not been publicly released. Dr. Conrad Murray, a Las Vegas cardiologist who became Jackson’s personal physician weeks before his death, is the target of a manslaughter investigation by the Los Angeles Police Department. Dateline NBC's Josh Mankiewicz confirmed that Murray is the target of a manslaughter probe. A search warrant affidavit unsealed Monday in Houston includes a detailed account of what Murray told investigators. According to the document, Murray said he’d been treating Jackson for insomnia for about six weeks with 50 milligrams of propofol every night via an intravenous drip. But he said he feared Jackson was forming an addiction to the anesthetic, which is normally used in hospitals only, and was attempting to wean his patient by lowering the dose to 25 milligrams and adding the sedatives lorazepam and midazolam. Singer called propofol his ‘milk’ That combination succeeded in helping Jackson sleep two days prior to his death, so the next day, Murray told detectives he cut off the propofol — and Jackson fell asleep with just the two sedatives. Then around 1:30 a.m. on June 25, starting with a 10-milligram tab of Valium, Murray said he tried a series of drugs instead of propofol to make Jackson sleep. The injections included two milligrams of lorazepam around 2 a.m., two milligrams of midazolam around 3 a.m., and repeats of each at 5 a.m. and 7:30 a.m. respectively. But they didn’t work. Murray told detectives that around 10:40 a.m. he gave in to Jackson’s “repeated demands/requests” for propofol, which the singer referred to as his “milk.” He administered 25 milligrams of the white-colored liquid, — a relatively small dose — and finally, Jackson fell asleep. Murray remained with the sedated Jackson for about 10 minutes, then left for the bathroom. No more than two minutes later, he returned — and found Jackson had stopped breathing. “There’s no surprise there” that death could result from such a combination, said Dr. David Zvara, anesthesia chairman at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “All those drugs act in synergy with each other,” Zvara said. Adding propofol on top of all the other sedatives “tipped the balance.” Singer had bed sores Besides the propofol and two sedatives, the coroner’s toxicology report found other substances in Jackson’s system but they were not believed to have been a factor in the singer’s death, the official told the AP. When he died, Jackson was skinny but not overly emaciated, and his body had bed sores, the official said. The singer is believed to have developed bed sores in the months following his 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges, when he went into seclusion and spent long stretches in bed. Murray has spoken to police and last week released a video saying he “told the truth and I have faith the truth will prevail.” Murray did not say anything about the drugs he gave to Jackson. Murray’s attorney, Edward Chernoff, had no immediate comment but has previously said Murray never administered anything that “should have” killed Jackson. A call to the coroner’s office was not returned Monday. Jackson’s family released a statement Monday, saying it has “full confidence” in the legal process and the efforts of investigators. It concludes: “The family looks forward to the day that justice can be served.” The 25 milligrams of propofol Murray told police he gave Jackson the day he died “is not a whopping amount,” said Lee Cantrell, director of the San Diego division of the California Poison Control System. But by combining propofol with a cocktail of the other sedatives, known as benzodiazepines, it “may have been the trigger that pushed him over the edge,” Cantrell said. Cantrell said it’s perplexing that someone would give various benzodiazepines if one was found not to be effective. “This is horrible polypharmacy,” he said, referring to the interaction between the various drugs. “No one will treat an insomniac like this.” The affidavit says Murray told investigators he didn’t order or buy any propofol and had found about eight bottles of it in Jackson’s home along with numerous other medications. But investigators served a search warrant Aug. 11 at a Las Vegas pharmacy and uncovered evidence showing Murray legally purchased from the store the propofol he gave Jackson the day he died. Murray didn’t tell paramedics or doctors at UCLA hospital where Jackson was rushed June 25 about any drugs he administered other than lorazepam and flumazenil, according to the affidavit. The document says it was only during a subsequent interview with Los Angeles Police detectives that Murray gave a more full accounting of the events leading up to the 911 call. The coroner’s office has not publicly released its autopsy findings, citing a request from police detectives to withhold results until their investigation is complete. Homicide, or “death at the hands of another,” is one of several possible findings in a coroner’s death investigation. The designation does not necessarily mean a crime was committed though it is a useful starting point for prosecutors, said Dr. Michael Baden, the former chief medical examiner in New York City and a forensics expert involved in many high-profile murder cases. “It is an easier prosecution when the medical examiner calls it a homicide,” said Baden, who is not involved in the Jackson investigation. © 2009 msnbc.com __________________ alexd > Editor/Admin > TRIBE® TRIBE® on Facebook: facebook.com/tribe TRIBE® on Twitter: @tribemagazine

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08-24-2009, 08:57 PM	#2
Klubmasta Will Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: centre of the universe Posts: 17,184	this should guarantee that MJ remains the lead news story for the next few years. murder trial, trial to figure out who gets his white children, family fight over his estate. this should be the biggest shitshow of a death in the history of people dying.

08-24-2009, 08:59 PM	#3
DaPhatConductor Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the phatcave Posts: 5,740	'out in the streets... they call it MURRRRRRDAAAAAAAAAAAAAA' i'm betting it was euthanasia after jacko found out about the 50 nights in a row!

08-24-2009, 09:03 PM	#4
acheron Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,114	the doctor will testify that Michael pleaded with him to do it. bet.

08-24-2009, 09:34 PM	#6
xtcfreak Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In between cant afford and have nothing! Posts: 3,464	yawn Jay

08-24-2009, 09:52 PM	#11
screamy Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass. Posts: 2,189	Jesus, I had actually dared to hope that I would be able to turn on the news and NOT see "our up-to-the-minute continuing coverage of the Michael Jackson saga" within my lifetime. I guess not, now.

08-24-2009, 11:18 PM	#12
nonlocal Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: not here Posts: 281	What-- Michael Jackson died!?

08-24-2009, 11:29 PM	#14
solacevip Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Yo Mamma! Posts: 4,299	Fuck all y'all. I'm still sad he's gone.

08-25-2009, 09:47 AM	#19
deep Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Die Hamburgring Posts: 58,448	murder was the case that they gave me

08-25-2009, 10:07 AM	#21
acheron Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Aisle 7 Posts: 18,114	Elvis, anyone...? There's a whole buncha people who still can't believe he's dead, indeed. I vote him on the list! Cobain's death was quick and the aftermath was handled in a fairly efficient manner. He doesn't really count as far as after-death shitshows go. JFK's death was followed by a year-long investigation and is still in dispute by conspiracy theorists. He's on the list for sure.

08-25-2009, 10:08 AM	#22
Rajio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: From inside the house! Posts: 13,080	elvis for sure

08-25-2009, 10:14 AM	#25
Flashy_McFlash Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 51,857	I don't necessarily believe it either - I'm just saying that his death wasn't exactly cut-and-dry.