The Fine Automobile Thread

Vise · 03-18-2011, 12:13 PM

Depends, what car are you looking at?

juice · 03-18-2011, 12:19 PM

Range Rover Evoque. Have a deposit down on it already but it is subject to further test drive etc etc.

I_bRAD · 03-18-2011, 12:26 PM

suvs are so 2002

Vise · 03-18-2011, 12:33 PM

Wow, interesting. I won't question your motives on vehicle choice but for that amount of $ I personally would be looking elsewhere. What is the MSRP in Canada going to be, $50k+ I would assume?

Back to your original question though, given the current ownership of Land Rover (Tata Motors) and the questionable reliability history of British automobiles I would certainly think twice (three/four times more likely) about buying a first year Land Rover/Jaguar anything.

juice · 03-18-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vise

Wow, interesting. I won't question your motives on vehicle choice but for that amount of $ I personally would be looking elsewhere. What is the MSRP in Canada going to be, $50k+ I would assume?

Back to your original question though, given the current ownership of Land Rover (Tata Motors) and the questionable reliability history of British automobiles I would certainly think twice (three/four times more likely) about buying a first year Land Rover/Jaguar anything.

Yeah far from finalized on this, again just a deposit for now to secure one if we want it. Pricing hasn't been finalized but estimates from the dealer was starting around the upper $50's to the upper $60's depending on options, etc.

I'm really on the fence about first year anything, it is just this met a great number of the things we're looking for. Looking at the fx35, q5, xc70 and a3 wagon as well.

I_bRAD · 03-18-2011, 01:05 PM

Get a 5 series GT!

Hi i'm God · 03-18-2011, 01:12 PM

Guys that's no different than a brand new Honda/Acrua crossover in price. People pick those up all the time I guess it uses the same parts as their cars. Still I'd trust RR over other manufactures new cars. I guess I'm bias being a jag owner though. Admittedly I don't know about tata motors either but i'm sure you'll get 5 years out of it before you upgrade to something different, it won't go Kia on you.

I personally like it but the wife hates those tiny rear view windows.

Also eww red, no green?

juice · 03-18-2011, 01:54 PM

Yeah price wise they're all relatively close, with the RR being more based on a few facets but really not that far off. This is certainly a 3-5 year car that we'd be looking at.

Not loving the small rear window either but there is a back cam in all the models which I guess is going to be helpful in some situations.

Just posted a quick link, haven't decided on colour at all.

the_fornicator · 03-18-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by juice

Thoughts on purchasing a new car in its first model year? One that doesn't really share a platform or parts with others by the same company. Total no no?

I'd reaaaaaally avoid that. Range Rovers, as vise mentioned, aren't exactly known for reliability.

I'd a RR alone just based on resale.

Then there's maintenance as I'm sure you're well aware of. But with new vehicles, you have warranty so hopefully that covers whatever will need a fix'n.

Vise · 03-18-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hi i'm God

Still I'd trust RR over other manufactures new cars. I guess I'm bias being a jag owner though.

Really? I would say the opposite, I'd trust any of the Japanese/German brands way ahead of Land Rover/Jaguar given their ownership situation and the unfortunate legacy of British cars. I suppose if it is a 3-4 year car it would be less of a concern though given warranty coverage... as long as you live close to a dealership and are friends with their Service Advisor it shouldn't be a big deal.

Back to the topic, I'll show my bias just a bit... do you (juice) really, really need an SUV? Specifically a small 5 seat SUV (ie. tall AWD car) that could be easily replaced by a (sports) sedan or wagon? Do you have 2-3 kids, haul lots of gear, go off roading, live in the country, etc that mandates the choice of a compact SUV? Of the other choices you've selected the A4 Wagon would be my #1 choice but of course I'd be remiss to not mention the BMW 335i sedan. You could get one fully loaded in the low end of that price range and it would kick the crap out of everything else in that class. If you want to push just a bit higher I hear the M3 sedan is pretty badass too.

juice · 03-18-2011, 03:54 PM

Don't absolutely need, it is a bit of a preference (for me) and a lot (for her). Dog, gear for skiing, gear for cottage. Again not discounting the wagon at all, I actually do like the A3 over the A4 along those lines. As for the BMW 335i, my dads last two cars have been one of those, I have a number of friends with them, while a great car I don't want one.

R4V4G3D_SKU11S · 03-18-2011, 04:04 PM

A jag? I always wondered what kindof car God drove...

Vise · 03-18-2011, 04:06 PM

Cool, to each their own... the 335i is certainly a great car hence why so many people (who know cars and enjoy spirited driving) have them. Audi to me is doing some nice things design wise but their cars aren't as engaging to drive although I've heard good things about the new S4... I would say though that the A3 is a bit on the small side vs the A4 so I would be sure to check both of them out to ensure there is enough room for your stuff.

What about the CTS-V wagon? I'd love to take one for a test drive, that is a balls out insane car if I've ever seen one.

kuba · 03-18-2011, 05:17 PM

that car looks like the new ford http://www.ford.ca/images/vehiclepag...r_overview.jpg but nonetheless I love the look of the evoque.

kuba · 03-18-2011, 05:18 PM

andrew. in my opinion the a3 wagon is a huge step down in terms of what you're looking for. we have one and it's way too small I find. Unless you get the ballsout version, 3.2 sline, which then to me doesn't make sense.

love that you're geared towards wagon-style. Why not the STi? The FX35/45/50 is one of my fave SUVs, too. Looks-wise at least. Never driven it.

I_bRAD · 03-18-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vise

What about the CTS-V wagon? I'd love to take one for a test drive, that is a balls out insane car if I've ever seen one.

I'd like to take one for a spin too...but my favourite wagon (now that SAAB is gone) is the E63. Not available in north america AFAIK

kuba · 03-18-2011, 05:20 PM

andrew, also to save some money but enjoy driving, why not a mid-$30K 5-door GTi?

kuba · 03-18-2011, 05:21 PM

E63. Amazing. Agreed.

the_fornicator · 03-18-2011, 05:56 PM

no? meets all your criteria

Probably end up saving a bit of coin, too.

octo · 03-19-2011, 01:34 AM

i love subaru's but the wrx or sti are way too cheap inside for the price.

i have an A3 and would appreciate a bit more room. my hockey bag JUST fits in the trunk. the 2L turbo is great on gas though, and is easily tunable.

if i needed more room i'd get an a4 avant. but i'm looking forward to trading in for the next gen A3 which will be a bit bigger.

it'll be available as a hatch back but here's the sedan.

octo · 03-19-2011, 01:39 AM

ps. reliability concerns would def keep me away from range rovers. and this coming from a guy with an audi who's engine light comes on regularly.

derek · 03-19-2011, 08:29 AM

i'm a few years off getting another car. the tl is holding it down.

i'm really aiming for an s4 as my next ride.

Balzz · 03-19-2011, 02:08 PM

Really lovin the S4 but I'll prolly end up with an F30 when the time comes.

octo · 03-19-2011, 02:33 PM

balzz has a smallest penis of us all!

Balzz · 03-19-2011, 02:59 PM

WTF I don't drive a Viper

03-18-2011, 01:12 PM	#1332
Hi i'm God TRIBE Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brockway, Audbinville, and North Haverbrooke! Posts: 13,783	Guys that's no different than a brand new Honda/Acrua crossover in price. People pick those up all the time I guess it uses the same parts as their cars. Still I'd trust RR over other manufactures new cars. I guess I'm bias being a jag owner though. Admittedly I don't know about tata motors either but i'm sure you'll get 5 years out of it before you upgrade to something different, it won't go Kia on you. I personally like it but the wife hates those tiny rear view windows. Also eww red, no green? Last edited by Hi i'm God; 03-18-2011 at 01:14 PM.

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03-18-2011, 12:13 PM	#1326
Vise TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 3,152	Depends, what car are you looking at?

03-18-2011, 12:19 PM	#1327
juice TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,352	Range Rover Evoque. Have a deposit down on it already but it is subject to further test drive etc etc.

03-18-2011, 12:26 PM	#1328
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Abroad on a frigate of seamen. Posts: 13,780	suvs are so 2002

03-18-2011, 12:33 PM	#1329
Vise TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 3,152	Wow, interesting. I won't question your motives on vehicle choice but for that amount of $ I personally would be looking elsewhere. What is the MSRP in Canada going to be, $50k+ I would assume? Back to your original question though, given the current ownership of Land Rover (Tata Motors) and the questionable reliability history of British automobiles I would certainly think twice (three/four times more likely) about buying a first year Land Rover/Jaguar anything.

03-18-2011, 01:05 PM	#1331
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Abroad on a frigate of seamen. Posts: 13,780	Get a 5 series GT!

03-18-2011, 01:54 PM	#1333
juice TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,352	Yeah price wise they're all relatively close, with the RR being more based on a few facets but really not that far off. This is certainly a 3-5 year car that we'd be looking at. Not loving the small rear window either but there is a back cam in all the models which I guess is going to be helpful in some situations. Just posted a quick link, haven't decided on colour at all.

03-18-2011, 03:54 PM	#1336
juice TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 6,352	Don't absolutely need, it is a bit of a preference (for me) and a lot (for her). Dog, gear for skiing, gear for cottage. Again not discounting the wagon at all, I actually do like the A3 over the A4 along those lines. As for the BMW 335i, my dads last two cars have been one of those, I have a number of friends with them, while a great car I don't want one.

03-18-2011, 04:04 PM	#1337
R4V4G3D_SKU11S TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 33,357	A jag? I always wondered what kindof car God drove...

03-18-2011, 04:06 PM	#1338
Vise TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 3,152	Cool, to each their own... the 335i is certainly a great car hence why so many people (who know cars and enjoy spirited driving) have them. Audi to me is doing some nice things design wise but their cars aren't as engaging to drive although I've heard good things about the new S4... I would say though that the A3 is a bit on the small side vs the A4 so I would be sure to check both of them out to ensure there is enough room for your stuff. What about the CTS-V wagon? I'd love to take one for a test drive, that is a balls out insane car if I've ever seen one.

03-18-2011, 05:17 PM	#1339
kuba TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: I don't hate anyone. Posts: 37,468	that car looks like the new ford http://www.ford.ca/images/vehiclepag...r_overview.jpg but nonetheless I love the look of the evoque.

03-18-2011, 05:18 PM	#1340
kuba TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: I don't hate anyone. Posts: 37,468	andrew. in my opinion the a3 wagon is a huge step down in terms of what you're looking for. we have one and it's way too small I find. Unless you get the ballsout version, 3.2 sline, which then to me doesn't make sense. love that you're geared towards wagon-style. Why not the STi? The FX35/45/50 is one of my fave SUVs, too. Looks-wise at least. Never driven it.

03-18-2011, 05:20 PM	#1342
kuba TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: I don't hate anyone. Posts: 37,468	andrew, also to save some money but enjoy driving, why not a mid-$30K 5-door GTi?

03-18-2011, 05:21 PM	#1343
kuba TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: I don't hate anyone. Posts: 37,468	E63. Amazing. Agreed.

03-18-2011, 05:56 PM	#1344
the_fornicator TRIBE Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: monkey monkey monkey monkey Posts: 15,945	no? meets all your criteria Probably end up saving a bit of coin, too.

03-19-2011, 01:34 AM	#1345
octo TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: peasant Toronto Posts: 5,225	i love subaru's but the wrx or sti are way too cheap inside for the price. i have an A3 and would appreciate a bit more room. my hockey bag JUST fits in the trunk. the 2L turbo is great on gas though, and is easily tunable. if i needed more room i'd get an a4 avant. but i'm looking forward to trading in for the next gen A3 which will be a bit bigger. it'll be available as a hatch back but here's the sedan.

03-19-2011, 01:39 AM	#1346
octo TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: peasant Toronto Posts: 5,225	ps. reliability concerns would def keep me away from range rovers. and this coming from a guy with an audi who's engine light comes on regularly.

03-19-2011, 08:29 AM	#1347
derek TRIBE Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: yonder Posts: 11,169	i'm a few years off getting another car. the tl is holding it down. i'm really aiming for an s4 as my next ride.

03-19-2011, 02:08 PM	#1348
Balzz TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Turn 2 Posts: 10,388	Really lovin the S4 but I'll prolly end up with an F30 when the time comes.

03-19-2011, 02:33 PM	#1349
octo TRIBE Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: peasant Toronto Posts: 5,225	balzz has a smallest penis of us all!

03-19-2011, 02:59 PM	#1350
Balzz TRIBE Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Turn 2 Posts: 10,388	WTF I don't drive a Viper