Critical Massholes

Rude1_247 · 09-29-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

The reason for the group riding together through red lights is to keep the group together, ensuring the safety created by the "mass" and also to prevent further traffic congestion.

Dude, you're not doing them any favours with defensive logic like this....

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:25 AM

If a large truck got stuck in the intersection on a yellow and had to finish crossing on the red... is that any different?

jazzsax · 09-29-2006, 11:26 AM

great. that's just around the time i will be right in that area. i will make sure i fill up my SUV full of gas, bring my water guns and balloons and be prepared for a party.

bastards.

Vincent Vega · 09-29-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

If a large truck got stuck in the intersection on a yellow and had to finish crossing on the red... is that any different?

Brad!! What the fuck....

grumblegirl · 09-29-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

If a large truck got stuck in the intersection on a yellow and had to finish crossing on the red... is that any different?

if the truck was driven by hundreds of different people, and broken up into hundreds of independant parts - i guess it's about the same.

otherwise - yes, it's remarkably different. one vehicle, one driver vs. hundreds of vehicles with hundreds of drivers.

Flashy_McFlash · 09-29-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

If a large truck got stuck in the intersection on a yellow and had to finish crossing on the red... is that any different?

Dude, the truck is a solid object and I can't believe I'm even typing this. Surely leaving half your group behind for five minutes is better than a cyclist getting creamed by that large truck! Come on.

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:28 AM

Be prepared for a party indeed! It's a great time and fun to meet everyone!

So... A personal apology from me to anyone who actually comes tonight and still has a negative opinion afterwards. See for yourself.

Introduce yourself. I'm the guy with the moustache.

Funzo · 09-29-2006, 11:28 AM

"If a large truck got stopped, and 15 other large trucks came and blocked traffic so the convoy could get through" would be a better comparisson.

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

Dude, the truck is a solid object and I can't believe I'm even typing this. Surely leaving half your group behind for five minutes is better than a cyclist getting creamed by that large truck! Come on.

That's the whole point! "Critical mass" ... implying the group has reached a size where it becomes one entity and is safer as a group.

The term originated in China where cyclists gather at a corner until there's enough people (a critical mass) where they then spill onto the street and can proceed without worry of being run over like they would as an individual.

416 · 09-29-2006, 11:35 AM

I love all the hysterics about the red light.

OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FUCKING LIGHT IS RED! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Rude1_247 · 09-29-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

That's the whole point! "Critical mass" ... implying the group has reached a size where it becomes one entity and is safer as a group.

The term originated in China where cyclists gather at a corner until there's enough people (a critical mass) where they then spill onto the street and can proceed without worry of being run over like they would as an individual.

a group of 20 bikes is enough to reach 'critical mass' without having to run reds. If you can't get through on one traffic light, you're not "critical mass" and you're likely to end up "critically injured".

You're not one entity.... stop using crazy logic.

Vincent Vega · 09-29-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

Introduce yourself. I'm the guy with the moustache....

....and the immensely flawed logic today!!

Rude1_247 · 09-29-2006, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 416

I love all the hysterics about the red light.

OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FUCKING LIGHT IS RED! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Good point, I'll hop in a rented PT Cruiser tonight and run a red around 6:01 at Bloor and Spadina.

Vincent Vega · 09-29-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

That's the whole point! "Critical mass" ....

OK, what is the point, really. Other than proving that a couple of hundred people can generate sufficient "mass" to override traffic laws due to the size of said mass, what exactly is the point of this?

PosTMOd · 09-29-2006, 11:45 AM

what if the crankshaft and spark plugs were left behind at a red light and the rest of the car and engine went through?

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:46 AM

Ah, I admit it... it's just to piss off the cagers.

Too bad you can't do anything about it though!

You can stomp your feet and posture all you want, but its still gonna happen.

mr tall · 09-29-2006, 11:47 AM

what if there's a wall ?

The Watcher · 09-29-2006, 11:47 AM

The problem is that individuals dont realize that while participating in these events, that their actions are perceived as representatives of the group they are a part of. And everyone should lead by example instead of reacting like an member of an angry mob.

If you're trying to make a point about an existing problem, do it properly. Do be part of a new problem.

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:48 AM

What angry mob? The only angry mob I've seen are the people who are stuck in their cars.

The Watcher · 09-29-2006, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

What angry mob? The only angry mob I've seen are the people who are stuck in their cars.

Anyone seeing the CM group being led by 1 self righteous asshole make the whole group look the same.

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:51 AM

Whoever is at the front is the leader... so come on down and show us how it's done!

Vincent Vega · 09-29-2006, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Watcher

The problem is that individuals dont realize that while participating in these events, that their actions are perceived as representatives of the group they are a part of. And everyone should lead by example instead of reacting like an member of an angry mob.

If you're trying to make a point about an existing problem, do it properly. Do be part of a new problem.

Oh they realize. And as Brad just admitted above, they don't really have a point other than to piss off drivers. Proving Rataxes bang-on right.

Congratulations. Well done.

The Watcher · 09-29-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by I_bRAD

Whoever is at the front is the leader... so come on down and show us how it's done!

Whoosh.

You're missing the point.

I'm not for or against these events. I'm just sayin that all who participate should be on best behavior as to not give the event a bad name.

If you have a ton of ice cream and you throw a pound of shit into the mix, then you have a ton + 1 pound of shitty ice cream.

I_bRAD · 09-29-2006, 11:55 AM

I was being facetious though.

Like I said, everyone really should come out and see for themselves. CM is what YOU want it to be. There's no organization or rules. If you think you can make it more productive then come down and do so!

mr tall · 09-29-2006, 11:56 AM

you're like burning man, but for dorks on bikes

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09-29-2006, 11:25 AM	#27
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	If a large truck got stuck in the intersection on a yellow and had to finish crossing on the red... is that any different?

09-29-2006, 11:26 AM	#28
jazzsax Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Etobicoke Posts: 995	great. that's just around the time i will be right in that area. i will make sure i fill up my SUV full of gas, bring my water guns and balloons and be prepared for a party. bastards.

09-29-2006, 11:28 AM	#32
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	Be prepared for a party indeed! It's a great time and fun to meet everyone! So... A personal apology from me to anyone who actually comes tonight and still has a negative opinion afterwards. See for yourself. Introduce yourself. I'm the guy with the moustache.

09-29-2006, 11:28 AM	#33
Funzo Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Where eagles dare Posts: 3,067	"If a large truck got stopped, and 15 other large trucks came and blocked traffic so the convoy could get through" would be a better comparisson.

09-29-2006, 11:35 AM	#35
416 Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: T.O. Posts: 4,688	I love all the hysterics about the red light. OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FUCKING LIGHT IS RED! THE SKY IS FALLING!

09-29-2006, 11:45 AM	#40
PosTMOd Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Here, there, nowhere, everywhere Posts: 31,981	what if the crankshaft and spark plugs were left behind at a red light and the rest of the car and engine went through?

09-29-2006, 11:46 AM	#41
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	Ah, I admit it... it's just to piss off the cagers. Too bad you can't do anything about it though! You can stomp your feet and posture all you want, but its still gonna happen.

09-29-2006, 11:47 AM	#42
mr tall TRIBE Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: PF9K Posts: 17,915	what if there's a wall ?

09-29-2006, 11:47 AM	#43
The Watcher TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Probably somewhere cuddling with your girlfriend Posts: 27,037	The problem is that individuals dont realize that while participating in these events, that their actions are perceived as representatives of the group they are a part of. And everyone should lead by example instead of reacting like an member of an angry mob. If you're trying to make a point about an existing problem, do it properly. Do be part of a new problem.

09-29-2006, 11:48 AM	#44
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	What angry mob? The only angry mob I've seen are the people who are stuck in their cars.

09-29-2006, 11:51 AM	#46
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	Whoever is at the front is the leader... so come on down and show us how it's done!

09-29-2006, 11:55 AM	#49
I_bRAD TRIBE Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Taking quartz for granite Posts: 10,578	I was being facetious though. Like I said, everyone really should come out and see for themselves. CM is what YOU want it to be. There's no organization or rules. If you think you can make it more productive then come down and do so!

09-29-2006, 11:56 AM	#50
mr tall TRIBE Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: PF9K Posts: 17,915	you're like burning man, but for dorks on bikes