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thoughts on goa/psy-trance

Discussion in 'Techno Room' started by beaker, Feb 24, 2002.

  1. beaker

    beaker TRIBE Member

    i caught basilisk's (kodos on the board) set at resistor last night. it occurred to me that goa could be spun pretty much like hard techno. it has the same drive to it. then satori ripped it up later in the night and he was pretty much playing techno the whole time.

    hard techno fans should also definitely check out wizzy noise. i caught their live pa last year and it was incredible. it was like the song was changing every 32-64 bars. that guy must have played at least 100 songs in the course of an hour. all really incredible pounding stuff.
     
  2. Mr_Furious

    Mr_Furious TRIBE Member

    I was going to post my thoughts but I can't seem to elaborate on yours. :p

    I'm starting to like goa, the hard hitting bass is what catches my ear. I just can't stand the squelchy blips and bleeps.
     
  3. BigBadBaldy

    BigBadBaldy TRIBE Member

    Recommend any sets I could get a hold of to edumacate me?

    BBB.

    Always willing to try.
     
  4. Da grunj

    Da grunj TRIBE Member

    It can be pretty intense. I can't say I have'nt enjoyed a few sets.

    GRj
     
  5. beaker

    beaker TRIBE Member

    i'll get kodos to look at this thread and he can probably recommend some.
     
  6. seeker

    seeker TRIBE Member

    X-Dream is another psy act that has a very tech-y feel. also, if you want a good feel for what goa/psy is like, check www.philosomatika.com. they have a shoutcast stream of continuous goa/psy, and i believe that they play sets in addition to single tracks.

    comparitively, i find goa/psy to be quite a bit like hard techno, too. there's lots of layers; lots of stuff happening. the main difference is that techno has multiple layers of rhythm, and goa/psy has multiple layers of psychedelic sound. both are very hypnotic and 'trance inducing', depending on who or what is playing.
     
  7. ElektroTekBabe

    ElektroTekBabe TRIBE Member

    Actually, X-Dream, Delta and Midimiliz all belong to a scene known as "Techno-Trance". This is actually the scene that I came from before I entered my crazy ElektroTek fetish. And before Techno-Trance, I was into psychedelic/goa big time! (PS...X-Dream is very dark...really cool sounds!)

    The truth is out...you now all know that I was a huge trance freak. That's back in 94/95...when the scene was absolutely insane!! Goa parties in Europe/Middle East in the middle of a desert or right on the beach...insane! I miss those days.

    Although I have some fantastic memories, I would not be able to handle a trance party now for more than an hour! :p The music is way to emotional for me...too happy...the buildups are WAY too long. I have entered my hard dark evil, yet funky phase in life...a.k.a...ElektroTek. :cool:
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2002
  8. tEkKiD

    tEkKiD TRIBE Promoter

    ^^^^

    glad to see you have "seen" the light. ;)




    <-- jokes :D
     
  9. ElektroTekBabe

    ElektroTekBabe TRIBE Member

    Doug dude, you were in pretty bad shape on Friday. Did you go on a paranoid trip or something? I tried to cheer you up, but I was drunk myself, and couldn't really concentrate on a good way to cheer you up. Sorry :(
     
  10. kodos

    kodos TRIBE Member

    there are definatly similarities and a lot of cross-over potential as satori proved on saturday...

    sets are rare and i don't have any to recommend (where are the proper navigators?) so here's a few techno-oriented tunes you can download from audiogalaxy or elsewhere...

    authentik - solid
    spirallianz - a fugitive
    absolut noise - what
    zerotonine - titanium cluster
    the delta - standby
    midi miliz - restore my soul
    cydonia - anaconda
    mino - mindblow
    son kite - youngel
    logic bomb - secure the orbs
    joti sidhu - juice
    opsis - miss adventure [hellfire mix]
    charismatrix - equilibrism
    x-dream - inter corporal stimulator

    but as far as full album goes, check out this track list...

    v/a - OTHERWISE [baluns]
    01 09'16" Digby And Oliver : Human
    02 08'08" Gegga : Dead Crows Don't Fly
    03 06'03" Defolder : Bioformat
    04 06'51" Trimatic : Pooloop
    05 06'59" Holy Ghost : Zombie Assassin
    06 06'54" Kopfuss Resonator : Bronco
    07 05'40" Samuel L Session : Gotcha
    08 06'49" New Disco Science Alliance: Twisted Psychedelic Freedomfighters
    09 06'36" Zenglodon : On The Porch
    10 08'02" Pope Of Gegga : Filterpenna
    11 07'23" KAB : Trasktrance

    enjoy...
     
  11. tommysmalls

    tommysmalls TRIBE Member

    woah! now lots stop this thread right now - whats samuel l session doing in the goa/psy-trance thread?

    :D
     
  12. kodos

    kodos TRIBE Member

    haha so i did get someone's attention ;)

    baluns is a swedish techno label that has grown out of the goa scene (sort of). have a look at their web page & hear some samples... http://www.mpdqx.com/

    everything runs in cycles... if you don't believe me, check out the song "polyphonic raid" by genecom (aka adam beyer).
     
  13. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    goa? psy-trance?

    *shudder*
     
  14. kodos

    kodos TRIBE Member

    thank you for your enlightening commentary, jackass
     
  15. madnezz

    madnezz TRIBE Member

    very cool!
     
  16. tommysmalls

    tommysmalls TRIBE Member

    ^^^ damn non-logout thingy


    thats my comment
     
  17. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    I hope that wasn't directed at me! Lets not forget this is a thread about goa and psy-trance... and it's in the techno forum. So let's not get too out of hand ok? ok!

    I'm actually exercising a lot of self control right now, 'cause I'd _really_ like to go off on a nice rant about why I despise goa and psy-trance but in my old age I've learned that sometimes it's best to keep things to yourself...

    le kid

    (still biting tongue)
     
  18. kodos

    kodos TRIBE Member

    your neatly categorized world mustn't be all that interesting... the evolution of electronic music isn't like an infinitely expanding universe... paths and directions loop back on each other. watching how new sounds gain ground and old ones are reprocessed is interesting to say the least. blinding yourself to the possibilities is your choice, but i would label it a bad one.

    if you've tried out some of the new sound, as exemplified by some of songs mentioned on this thread, and you don't like them, that's perfectly fine. musical taste is subjective... but i have a funny feeling you're not even giving it a chance. you're obeying the walls you've put up, and this limits your choices. that's your loss!

    anyhow, i'm not here to convert... i'm a techno fan as well (from back in the phryl days). in fact, i'd say we're talking about techno, though much of it may have been made by psy/goa artists. why limit the possibilities by enclosing music within tightly defined categories? i'd say the story line is more interesting when the tale weaves through the works of many artists from highly diverse sections of the electronic music world.
     
  19. BigBadBaldy

    BigBadBaldy TRIBE Member

    Word! to that general sentiment.

    BBB.

    "..dude, where's my change? That was only one cent worth?"
     
  20. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member


    Nice little rhetoric you have going there. Allow me to rebutt..

    First off, I doubt you know much about my "categorized world" so please keep your asinine assumptions about my personality to yourself. I must say though, I certainly do appreciate the lesson in electronic music, I especially like the part about paths and directions looping back into each other. Nice!

    I have heard goa and psy-trance. How do I put this delicately... let's just say it's not in my taste, ok?! As far as electronic music goes I listen to techno, the styles of which range from techno, electro and synth-pop. I like the styles of techno that I do because after having listened to "electronic" music for several years now and I know what appeals to me and what doesn't. What don't I like about goa and psy-trance? To put it in a nutshell, everything is done for the listener already. The build-ups, the drum rolls, all the "emotion" is already in the music leaving little room for the listener to make their own interpretation. I like the more minimal styles of techno because it allows me, as a listener, to mentally "climb into" the music. For me techno is just as much about the spaces between the beats as the beats themselves. 30 second drum rolls and wailing synth lines just don't do it for me anymore. I guess I like music that has a little more thought put into it.

    Good thing you're not trying to convert me though *phew* Oh and I almost forgot, nice name drop with the whole "back in the Phryl days" geez, that was SO long ago, you're a rave veteran! As much as I'd like to name drop also, I will refrain.

    Anyways, I've spent too much time responding already... enjoy your goa psy-trance, and keep telling yourself how diverse you are - maybe eventually you'll convince yourself!
     
  21. tEkKiD

    tEkKiD TRIBE Promoter

    ^^^^ hahaha!!

    right on dude...


    this thread is kinda funny!!!

    kodos- goa way with that shit dude ;)

    le kid - phryl parties are old school dude, (jokes) no worries i know you been kickin' around the techno scene from way back, quite bittin' your tongue dude, let it out!!!! say watcha want here,the techno room needs more drama and less goa. ;)


    <-- shite disturbin' :D


    peace.
     
  22. kodos

    kodos TRIBE Member

    i totally forgot that once a musical category emerges it remains static until a new name takes precedence. you've heard it all, i'm sure. nothing changes, nothing grows. once an artist makes something of one genre they are destined to continue making exactly that for all eternity. there are no new possibilities. no one could possibly innovate on what has already been created. sounds silly, don't it?

    here's where you most aptly display your ignorance. its clear you took one listen a while back of some common stuff and that's it. if i didn't like jazz and i heard jazzy drum and bass could i say i didn't like drum and bass at all? again, i'd call that damn silly. just avoid the trance-oriented goa&psy. try out the techno style. isn't it obvious?

    phyrl may not be so old but thats rather irrelevant. am i trying to prove how long i've been around? no, not at all, for that has nothing to do with this discussion on how being close-minded leads to fewer possibilities... the only reason i mentioned that was for context - i might know what techno is, in other words, so i might potentially be qualified to say "this goa is actually techno if you want to get technical". this isn't ammo for some conflict of qualifications. is your musical expertise and experience going to prove anything about why its GOOD to ignore new things and play by the rules? not likely...

    the bottom line is this... there are artists who have made goa years ago that now make techno. due to the segregation of the various musical styles out there, there is little cross-exposure. over on the goa side of things, there are hordes of people declaring a new revolution in sound. despite this, goa fans who dig the techno sound are hesitant to try out some quality stuff from the techno field, and techno fans often ignore whatever music may stem from the more psychedelic regions. pardon me, but this seems rather silly. knowing what you like is one thing but closing your mind to new possibilities is geriatric.

    anyhow, no need to flog the dead horse that is your curiousity.

    doug.. ya this thread IS funny! fuck funny
     
  23. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    I didn't say that genres remain static indefinitely. And I certainly don't think nothing changes or grows over time and yes I'm well aware that producers and dj's change their styles...

    *sigh*

    Perhaps I'm partly at fault here, I'm not sure I made my point very clearly and I suppose I was a little put off at being called a "jackass"...

    The sheer number of different genres and styles of electronic music, and peoples different ways of describing/labelling them is what makes discussions like this so difficult.

    If you're saying there are trance artists making techno, then why not just call it techno and avoid the whole trance label altogether. If it sounds like techno, why isn't it techno? Aren't genres supposed to describe a certain sound?

    This discussion is starting to piss me off a bit... I don't think we're all that far off in our views, we're just coming at it from very different angles. When I say I don't like goa or psy-trance it's because I don't like the sound that comes to mind when I think of goa and psy-trance that I've heard. If artists that used to make that are now making more "techno" sounding music then fucking say they're making techno, and stop reaming on me because I said I don't like it. I described a SOUND I don't like, I really don't give a shit what people call it. If I heard something that sounded like the kind of techno I enjoy, I wouldn't care if it was a goa-friggen-psy-trance producer who made it.

    I have to get some work done!
     
  24. dlerium88

    dlerium88 TRIBE Member

    I love techno..and I love psy-trance/goa. They can go hand in hand...

    I think I love psy-techno more than goa though....I have nothing interesting to add to this discussion...

    but I think this thread is funny nonetheless and thought I'd state that.

    and Dougie..quit bein a shit disturbor ;)
     
  25. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    just grabbed this - any track that samples nin is a good one in my books :)
     

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