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Stealth P2P Network Hides in Kazaa

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by futronic, Apr 2, 2002.

  1. futronic

    futronic TRIBE Member

    Here's the article from news.com:
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    Stealth P2P network hides inside Kazaa


    By John Borland
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
    April 1, 2002, 5:35 PM PT


    A California company has quietly attached its software to millions of downloads of the popular Kazaa file-trading program and plans to remotely "turn on" people's PCs, welding them into a new network of its own.
    Brilliant Digital Entertainment, a California-based digital advertising technology company, has been distributing its 3D ad technology along with the Kazaa software since late last fall. But in a federal securities filing Monday, the company revealed it also has been installing more ambitious technology that could turn every computer running Kazaa into a node in a new network controlled by Brilliant Digital.

    The company plans to wake up the millions of computers that have installed its software in as soon as four weeks. It plans to use the machines--with their owners' permission--to host and distribute other companies' content, such as advertising or music. Alternatively, it might borrow people's unused processing power to help with other companies' complicated computing tasks.



    Brilliant Digital CEO Kevin Bermeister says computers or Internet connections won't be used without their owners' permission. But the company will nevertheless have access to millions of computers at once, almost as easily as turning on a light switch.

    "Everybody will get turned on in more or less a simultaneous fashion," Bermeister said. "This will be an opt-in program...We're trying to create a secure network based on end-user relationships."

    The Brilliant Digital plan is the most ambitious yet from a string of companies that have tried to make money off the millions of people who are downloading and using free file-swapping programs such as Kazaa, MusicCity's Morpheus or LimeWire.

    Nearly all of the file-swapping programs now routinely come bundled with so-called adware or spyware--programs that automatically pop up advertisements while people surf the Web or that keep track of where someone surfs, information that can then be sold to marketing companies. Despite growing concerns about this bundled software, usage and downloads of the file-swapping programs are at an all-time high.

    But Brilliant's plan, by tapping into the computer resources of the file-swappers themselves, has fallen into a new realm where start-ups such as Kontiki and Red Swoosh are just starting to gain traction. Those companies are trying to use peer-to-peer technology to distribute content more quickly online, but they face a battle convincing people to install their software and become distribution points.

    Brilliant, by contrast, already has potentially tens of millions of computers in its network, simply by piggybacking on top of Kazaa.

    According to CNET Download.com, a popular software aggregation site owned by News.com publisher CNET Networks, the Kazaa software--and by extension the Brilliant software--was downloaded more than 2.6 million times last week alone. Brilliant has been distributing the core technology for its peer-to-peer service along with Kazaa since February, Bermeister said.

    The Brilliant network is based on a piece of software called "Altnet Secureinstall," which is bundled with the Kazaa software. That technology can connect to other peer-to-peer networks, ad servers or file servers independently of the Kazaa software and can be automatically updated to add new features, according to Brilliant's filing.

    When the software is "turned on," computers running the Brilliant software will form a new peer-to-peer network separate from but connected to Kazaa, the filing said. A few computers with fast connections will form the early core of the network and be asked to join first. Other ordinary computers and Net connections will be invited later, Bermeister said.

    Brilliant's software will be able to understand and respond to searches inside Kazaa, since it is based on the same technology. But if it is successful, Brilliant will be able to host content and run "distributed computing" applications over the new network that is entirely separate from Kazaa or other file-swapping networks based on the same technology.

    Working behind the scenes
    Brilliant and Bermeister have played a central role in many of the events shaping the file-swapping world in the past few months.

    Bermeister began distributing his company's 3D advertising software along with the Kazaa software last year. That's how he got to know the founders of Kazaa BV, the Dutch company that created the file-swapping technology originally used by Kazaa, Morpheus and Grokster.

    When the Kazaa BV founders decided they didn't want to be in the network business, Bermeister introduced them to a former associate in Australia, Nicola Hemming. Her new company, Sharman Networks, bought the Kazaa software and continues to distribute it.

    Bermeister is now drawing on his association with the Dutch programmers for his new venture. Brilliant has created a new company for the peer-to-peer service, called Altnet. It has licensed the Dutch programmers' technology from their new venture, called Blastoise. According to Brilliant's annual report, filed Monday, the Dutch programmers have taken a 49 percent stake in Altnet.

    Brilliant has been subpoenaed in the record labels and big movie studios' copyright infringement lawsuit against Kazaa BV. No suit has been filed against Brilliant or Sharman Networks, however.

    The immediate plans for Altnet, Brilliant and the new peer-to-peer network remain unclear.

    Bermeister said the company had been testing the technology along with ad giants DoubleClick as a way to serve ordinary Web ads more quickly. Under this plan, an ad that a person sees on a Web site might be hosted by a nearby computer running Brilliant's Altnet instead of on a central ad server, as now typically happens with DoubleClick.

    Brilliant's CEO was quick to note that people would be asked before their computers were used for this or other purposes. He said the software would show a pop-up box explaining the network's function and giving people a chance to turn it off. People who allow their computers to be used will be compensated somehow, possibly with gift certificates or free videos, the company's filing said.

    However, people who accept "terms of service" already distributed with Brilliant's and Kazaa's software are already agreeing to let their computers be used without any payment at all.

    "You hereby grant (Brilliant) the right to access and use the unused computing power and storage space on your computer/s and/or Internet access or bandwidth for the aggregation of content and use in distributed computing," the terms of service read. "The user acknowledges and authorizes this use without the right of compensation."

    Anybody who declines this provision is not able to install the Kazaa file-swapping software.

    A representative for Sharman, which distributes the Kazaa software, could not be reached for comment.

    Privacy-rights advocates contacted for comment expressed some concern about the way the Altnet software has been distributed and about whether the millions of people who already have it installed on their computers will be tech-savvy enough to know what they're agreeing to when and if Brilliant does ask to use their computers.

    "A lot of the people most likely to use this software are teenagers or college students. There's a lack of sensitivity about privacy in that age group," said Larry Poneman, CEO of Privacy Council, which helps companies manage privacy issues. "Do they really want to be commandeered and have their machines do things that aren't necessarily in their best interest?"
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    Opinions? Not surprising really. But I assume most people have switched to Audiogalaxy anyway?

    -- Jay aka Fut
     
  2. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    The software that piggybacks on Audiogalaxy's applet is much worse than this. I read an article a while back on it and it grabs info from forms and other fields that you fill out when surfing the web, then sends all the info to its company. This could include words being searched in search engines, personal information, telephone numbers, passwords... anything. And it's much sneakier in regards to its presence. It's almost impossible to detect and difficult to remove, and the writers of the article were led in circles when trying to contact the company distributing the software. At least Brilliant is upfront with what it's doing and asks for permission.

    Pete
     
  3. Cheap Ego

    Cheap Ego TRIBE Member

    Technically, they could get away with anything by including it in the TOS. Who bothers to read that?

    "You hereby grant (Brilliant) the right to access and use your mother and storage space in your garage for the aggregation of content and use in distributed computing," the terms of service read. "The luser acknowledges and authorizes this use without the right of suckerproofing."
     
  4. labRat

    labRat TRIBE Member

    yup ... score one more point for my mac. no cracky trojan horse apps on my 'puter.

    --craig
     
  5. Kalemic

    Kalemic TRIBE Promoter

    This sounds kinda plausable but a bit over the top... And the article is dated April 1st. Is this for real?
     
  6. zoo

    zoo TRIBE Member

    B3D = brilliant

    it's on your ccomputer i guarantee unless you removed it

    check your control panel --> add/remove programs and B3D projector will be there

    audiogalaxy used to come with vx2.dll but stopped because of the hassle they were getting

    www.vx2.cc has more info on vx2, the stealth spyware that sends anything and everything about your computer

    the main website shows how to remove it from your computer

    vx2 is scary

    spyware in general is scary

    go to

    [warning] www.lop.com [warning ..]

    and look at what they can do to you

    install spyware without you even knowing
     
  7. Stan

    Stan TRIBE Member

    Note the date of this news article...
     
  8. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    This is the exact reason I said swore against re-installing this fucking program after i reformatted.

    It's not worth the lack of privacy when they are secretive about their embedding of well, essentially a virus!
     
  9. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    That's Gator, you have the option of not installing that at startup.
     
  10. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    again people, direct connect ++ is where it's at

    Open source (made by users for users), no spyware, way more shit than what used to be on Kazaa. Not as idiot proof, no, but well worth the learning curve.

    dcplusplus.sourceforge.net
     
  11. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    Nope! Mein uberkomputa ist bin ein invicible!
     
  12. BigBadBaldy

    BigBadBaldy TRIBE Member

    deep, thanks for the tip. I'm sure you've posted this a million times, but I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes. Gonna check it out.

    BBB.

    ..sounds way better, from what I saw on the site.
     
  13. Subsonic Chronic

    Subsonic Chronic TRIBE Member

    I'm thinking of the vx2 stuff that zoo mentionned. Not sure if it still installs with audiogalaxy, but it's definitely not the same as gator.

    i'm gonna have to check out this ++ stuff that you've mentionned, i need a new p2p program because the new morpheus sucks.

    pete
     
  14. Kalemic

    Kalemic TRIBE Promoter

    For those afraid of spyware and other crap on your computer, grab this program. Its a great little prog that searches through you comptuer for all the hidden installed crap then gives you the option of deleting it. :) Works great!

    Its Lavasoft's Ad-aware.

    http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10106-108-63806.html
     
  15. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    dc + + has had me the most impressed with a file sharing application that I can remember, apart from how napster seemed when it first came out.

    The key to dc ++ is connecting to a variety of good hubs at once - the search function searches them all at once. A little configuration goes a long way, you can set it up to automatically find alternate download locations for the files you're trying to grab, but I've found the download queue pretty much idiot proof - just select something to download and it'll eventually make its way to you.
     
  16. Bumbaclat

    Bumbaclat TRIBE Member

    I have it there. If I remove it will Kazaa still operate?

    Bumbaclat
     
  17. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member

    will they be paying me for my processing power? I have to pay to use a bank machine, the internet etc etc so why should they have access to my computer for free, everyone should send them a bill for $1000 claiming this is for services rendered.

    Kyfe
     
  18. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    yet another thing to add to the list of reasons why i don't use peer to peer connection software. of course this may be an april fools thing.
     
  19. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    deep, how do I use DC++?

    Does it just search all the servers in the list or do I select one, connect to it, then search?

    I'm also behind a firewall at work, does this inhibit my ability to use it?
     
  20. futronic

    futronic TRIBE Member

    No, it's not an April Fool's thing. News.com is run by C|Net, owned in part by Intel and Microsoft and stuff like that. It's extremely reliable for tech news, IMO.

    -- Jay aka Fut
     
  21. deep

    deep TRIBE Member

    I'm going to post a thread now on configuring it for use.
     
  22. Cheap Ego

    Cheap Ego TRIBE Member

    do you pay for the fees for the property you're obtaining with their software, through the use of their network?
     

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