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Its time !.........To bring back the VIBE !

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by stretchandhooker, Jan 30, 2002.

  1. stretchandhooker

    stretchandhooker TRIBE Promoter

    I was skipping throught the Barry Weaver thread , noticing all the posts talking about past events and memories created!
    This inspired me to have a walk down memory lane , and think about what is the difference between then and now !
    Straight up , the people , that is the difference . People came out and made the party , shared the experience with each other . It seems in present day , people show up to parties not knowing their role, expecting the party to "blow" them away !
    It's time the party people took it back and spread the love through positivity . Remember when you used to actually talk about people that you met after a
    night out ! rather than talk about the people you saw after a night out .
    Thanks to all the party people for the memories you helped us create ,
    party after party ,
    Respect !
    See you all at Bitter Sweet,
    S.
     
  2. JEMZ

    JEMZ TRIBE Member

    Quality Production helped alot as did the lack of special interest groups telling us we were all doing something wrong.

    Wayne, Steve (I don't know which one of you two posted this)... you can take a credit for the fact that people like myself are able to look back with such fond memories.

    I've said it before, but I laugh now (sadly) at the fact that I used to get disapointed that the Automotive building was "used again?!?" or that they were "bringing Terry Mullan, Barry Weaver and DJ Dan again", or "there was too many parties this weekend"... kinda sad when I look back at it all.

    But I agree that it was the people. I may have had a ton of stupid conversations with people that I didn't know, but people were willing to do that, and laugh after with no worries. The sound systems were massive, the crowds were massive, but essentially the vibes were massive. Remember screaming your ass off as that sick bassline hit and the party completely lost its shit???

    Unfortunately I will not be able to attend Bittersweet as the ticket is presently out of my price range, but I hope everyone will have a fantasitic time. Recently, it appears that Toronto may be regaining a bit of the old vibe with Smirnoff and Benson & Hedges throwing big events. I am glad to see it is the old boys throwing this one, I expect nothing but energy for those in attendance.

    Nice thread guys

    Jamie [​IMG]
     
  3. funkNstyle

    funkNstyle TRIBE Member

    This is a very good thread.

    I have had several conversations in the past 2 weeks with friends all saying the same thing... "I miss going out and actually raving, like partying all nite and having anticipation for an event."

    And i agree with them.. I cant rememeber the last time i went to a party extremely hyped, not being able to wait till we got there, wondering what new things I'd experience and remember not to mention actually bust out all nite, make several new friends and leave feeling like i once did.... PLEASED!
    (Last time would probly be Syrous Hyperactive @ the Congress Center)

    Myabe its the fact I've become used to relaxed, chill out club environments but I dont dance cuz i fear i've lost my groove, as have alot of my friends... and thats sad.

    Not to go after ptomoters or anything but decor and sound had alot to do with it. Massive stages, cool *new* lighting and a soundsystem that would make u cringe it was so loud.
    and HYPE It was all about HYPE!! I remember we'd get in the car and all be ready to rock it the whole way there... I didnt even care about line-ups cuz they were usually just as intresting as the party itself!! (if not more at times) [​IMG]

    I miss that... I don't know how to get that back. I would if i could.. but i cant.

    Maybe its the fact that everyone feels the same and in turn gives off a bad vibe, Or maybe everyone has attitudes now?
    Who knows, but I think (from what i've heard) Syrous is takin care of all the things needed to bring back the vibe and the FUN atmoshphere for Bittersweet.

    Hopefully everyone leaves there jaded attitudes at the door and relaizes......
    Im lookin forward to a hella-good time at Bittersweet! I hope YOU are too!

    Jonny
     
  4. ThePlunger

    ThePlunger TRIBE Member

    I agree! [​IMG]

    Bittersweet will rock tha' house like nobody's bid-ness!

    Matt
     
  5. Jeremy Jive

    Jeremy Jive TRIBE Member

    I miss parties more than anyone. From both sides of the fence.

    When promoting parties for Lifeforce it drove me nuts to see how much time and effort went into parties. And all you heard back was complaints about everything under the sun. Now that its all gone, people are finally realizing what it was all about. A big party for a big vibe and a big night out.

    And a few idiots had to ruin it for everyone. Yet I still don't understand why people will show up in droves for crappy imported djs when we have the best talent in the world playing each and ever week.

    Stretch send me an email. I got some stuff to talk to you about.

    jeremy -suprised I even have memories at this age- jive
     
  6. stir-fry

    stir-fry TRIBE Member

    The way I look at it, when raves first started they weren't trendy, they weren't the thing to do, techno (all forms) wasn't mainstream, not a lot of people knew about raves and the people that were there totally appreciated what they were getting. It was as if we all knew the secret and we were happy as pigs in shit to be sharing our love for this different music with each other.


    The vibe was forever present because it was a small community of people coming together to celebrate music in an entirely new way. If DJ SUPERSTAR DEEJAY didn't make it that weekend, no one cared, cause the music was still what the people loved to hear regardless of who was spinning it.

    The biggest memory I have from back then is the fact that you could have hardcore, rotterdam, house and techno all in one party and everyone loved it. I think that what eventually led to the downfall of the party vibe, is when promoters started breaking down their parties into genres and only catering to those styles. You had Syrous and Delirium catering to the Drum and Bass crowd, Happy Face and Pleasure Force catering to the house / techno crowd, and etc etc from there on in. I don't think the promoters are to blame for this though, partiers responded to the idea and so the parties became more and more seperated.

    Eventually ravers began to expect parties to have a certain production value, out of town dj's, etc etc. Parties started getting bigger and bigger, and more popular at the same time. Partiers got more spoiled and the scene became less of a community. Once all the mainstream people started catching on to this idea, all of a sudden you had people pushing bad drugs in the scene to make themselves money without showing respect for anyone, and promoters started popping up there were interested in nothing more than making a huge profit.

    my brain is fizzling, that's all i have to say for now.
     
  7. Ditto Much

    Ditto Much TRIBE Member

    Posting reasons why they aren't the same, is an endless discussion. There are just so many things that I feel have cheapened the whole thing. There are so many reasons I don't feelthe scene is hip anymore its silly.

    But the Dj's weren't meant to be the superstars. It was all about the fans and it was all about the people dancing in front of the satge, not about who was on the stage. The environments were designed to envelop the senses and the participants, now they point to a focal the stage. The parties stopped being about the partiers we were what was important, not where the DJ came from.

    Entertaining for any party invovles many different things. You don't make just appetizers and play no music. You don't just crank up the music as loud as possible and expect the audiance to respond. The expectations have gone up, everyone and there brother has thrown a rave. Any club that has a dance floor has had ravers dance on it.

    Couple of weeks ago Pest compared our scene to a sausage party. The excitiment that was partying all night when everyone else was going to bed is over. The orginality is a 4/4 beat with predicatable builds. There will still be great parties every now and then. There will still be great sets, but you can't keep going to the same places that are playing the same music they were playing 5 years ago and expect them to be fresh.

    In short I've heard that track before, I've danced to that set before, I've stood in the line before, I've tasted that drink before. How can you expect me to not be bored if your not providing me with anything.
     
  8. RJ45

    RJ45 TRIBE Member

    Yeah man back in the day, back in the day.. [​IMG]
     
  9. OTIS

    OTIS TRIBE Member

    Muuuusic is my laaaiiiiffe....
    and it helps me through the vibe...

    enter piano riff..

    -OTIS
     
  10. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member

    Check out smaller parties, check out local dj's. These are the ppl putting effort into events and running them with little money, I know countless promoters that throw parties and always lose money. Why? cause they can't compete with the big boys. But you actually have the chance to be part of something @ the grassroots level, thats what it was about for me, being part of something special, it didn't matter who was playing, how much i had to drink or how many hot girls were there, it just mattered that i was with friends enjoying a common interest.

    You say dj's shouldn't be about being a star, i agree. djing is about the love of the music and lovin it when the crowd gets off. You put this kind of dj with this kind of crowd and you are bound to get more memorable experiences because it's your's, its more personal it's more direct.

    Right now parting is about as exciting as buying a new pair of shoes. Promoters bring in who they know will draw Recycled talent, if that means it costs more to make more thats fine cause you'll pay for it in the price of the ticket- it's a business transaction.

    I understand i am being very general and this is in no way directed @ Steve& Wayne or their larger scale parties cause i know they are in it for the love of music.

    I think peoples mantality has to change, people have to stop thinking that they have to pay a fortune to be @ a good party, that they have to see a $10,000+ Dj in order to hear a good set.

    Partiers helped build the electronic music scene now they seem to have forgotten where it evolved from, that little room @ 23 hop, that space on cherry st, and other spaces that have supported this music from day one.

    Since its a business everyone gauges the promoter, and because more money is allocated to various areas, less money is spent on the party. Most of it covers the overhead for venue, paramedics, police, permits, sound, riders etc etc etc.

    parites have to go back underground to become more personal and bring back the VIBE!

    Kyfe
     
  11. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member

    sorry about the spelling
     
  12. feisty boy

    feisty boy TRIBE Member

    well, this thread was really putting a smile on my face for the first couple of posts [​IMG]

    of course, it's already turning into the usual "things will never be that good again" and "the old days are gone" bla bla bla.

    it all comes down to the efforts we put in... we can blame it on promoters all we want, but fact remains - it's what we make of it...
    even the fact that people used to dress up a little more - there's so much elitism now. you're an 'etard candy kid' if you wear anything vaguely bright and fun. the thing i love most about seeing pics from the uk is that everyone makes their own outfits, comes up with crazy ideas for their hair, whatever - it turns going out into an event, something different and fun. it means YOU are actively contributing to the look of the party, the energy...


    this, i think, is also a very valid point.
     
  13. kyfe

    kyfe TRIBE Member


    I hope you're not referring to my post I never said it would not be good again nor do i think i was being negative.

    I think people need to get their priorities straight and decide what they want the scene as a whole to be and start supporting that.

    There is little supoort for what happens within this city aside for the large parties, use this board as an example the big parties get alot of replies, the smaller parties get fewer replies why is that? Is there less interest in more intimate parties or are people not interested in the next big thing anymore?
     
  14. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Everything has changed and will continue to change. I remember when I turned 19 there were only a handful of clubs downtown. Even in the club district, last call was 1:00am. Part of the attraction of a rave was going to a new location, music that you never heard before and diverse crowd. I remember walking out of raves in 93 wondering where the hell do these girls come from. They were so beautiful and usually would wear next to nothing. Then kids started to take over, instead of rave companies putting an age limit to getting in they welcomed them in and let them take over. The closing of Betterdays was the last straw. Most people over the age of 20 do not like partying with 16 year olds. I find annoying when a girl is asking for a hug and I am old enough to be her father. And I think most of us think it is sick to see young kids so screwed up on drugs there eyes are rolling back and you have to check on them all the time to make sure they are not dead. The thing I liked about raves is not the same thing you guys all liked about it. I liked the fact that at one time there were ginos, muscle men, strippers, models, ravers, rockers, goths, everyone went to party because everyone could agree that electronic music is good. But the ravers, and kids would always complain there were too many ginos or strippers what the hell were they doing to you anyway, nothing. They went out just like everyone else to have a good time. The scene changed into a place where everyone looks more or less the same, same style of clothes same hair style. They dance the same and act the same, it is boring. Sorry I have not been to a party since 99 and I refuse to go to one in this city. 514 party's in montreal are amazing big events with an average age of 25, or I will party in Ibiza. Finally it has taken toronto companies 5 years to realize people don't like partying with teenagers, I wish them all the luck in the world. But with all the clubs around and with all the crap involved ingoing to a rave, I won't be back anytime soon.
     
  15. Smiley Jo

    Smiley Jo TRIBE Member

    I for one have been thrilled ever since I found out about this party.

    Anyone who knows me, knows I have been craveing a big room, big crowd, big sound type of event and Dose knows how to do it up.

    If anyone goes with the expectation that it is going to be exactly like the parties of yesterday, they wil be disappointed.
    It's all about the vibe we create right now.

    I'm totally looking forward to a fantastic night of dancing and big fuckin party tracks and all of my friends there to share it with me.

    Joanna [​IMG] <-- not seeing the "bitter", only the "sweet".
     
  16. that 420 guy

    that 420 guy TRIBE Member

    leave your attitude at the door

    - that shut up and dance guy [​IMG]
     
  17. Nesta

    Nesta TRIBE Member

    I truly believe that "Bittersweet" will make everybody realize that there is hope. [​IMG]

    Postivity is the way forward.
    Back in the day is just that - back in the day.
    All I need is good company, good sound, running water, treats, and spankin' beats! [​IMG]

    Big ups to Lifeforce!

    Hey, when are you guys bringing Terry Francis back? Connected 2002?
     
  18. feisty boy

    feisty boy TRIBE Member

    i was just stating in general, as threads like these always start dividing into two camps right away...

    as for the big party/small party thing, i think it's because the big parties are more of an "event". admittedly, i've probably had just as many incredible nights at little intimate parties with a couple hundred people, as i have at the big parties.

    but nothing compares to that feeling of walking up to a huge venue, the walls shaking from the bassbeats as you stand in line outside, then walking in to a SEA of people, a huge lighting setup, etc etc.... it gives you an energy you can't get at a little underground club.
     
  19. Spinsah

    Spinsah TRIBE Member

    I've been guilty of this more than a few times, and that really put it all into perspective for me. Thanks. [​IMG]

    See you all on dancefloor at Bittersweet.

    Dan, Misstress, The President...look out!
     
  20. smile

    smile TRIBE Member

    yeah partying was great before all the bad drugs came in...

    and before all the same DJs started coming back every 2 weeks...

    PLUR, man....PLUR.
     
  21. Suke

    Suke TRIBE Member

    Hey Man ... As far as I'm concerned Barry Weaver is the only DREAM in Toronto. What has Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon done in Toronto besides getting 6.5 points a game and being injured? Next that!.

    "#23" =======================> Suke.
     
  22. Adam Duke

    Adam Duke TRIBE Member

    Life is what you make of it.

    A positive scene is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    It'll happen again - we're on the right track.

    @m.
     
  23. me

    me TRIBE Member

    I used to love going to "BIG" parties and just wandering off from my crew and then meeting back up with them at the end for usually S+H, telling them of the people I was dancin' with, chillin', crazy scenarios, who was goin' off at the time in the "other" room. I *hearted* that shit.
     
  24. discodancer_j

    discodancer_j TRIBE Member

    If anyone misses the people part at parties and stuff...it's gonna be me...

    No one ever understood how i could be so happy meeting a stranger...

    i was always giving out lollipops and bracelets cuz heck man, i wanted to get into people's faces and make their day.

    from day one i've said it's been about the music and the people, they go hand in hand...

    so at Bittersweet, let's get our asses on the dancefloor and rip it to shreds, in a good way of course...

    heck if it wasn't for clubbing i wouldn't have met Smiley Jo...

    Tonic-Wednesday May 17, 2000-Derrick Carter
    >man that girl is a cutie!!

    peace janICE:>
     
  25. ViShiS*

    ViShiS* TRIBE Member

    First off, excellent thread!

    I was wondering if everyone was feeling the same way about the way things are going within our scene, or if it was just me becomming jaded. I think that its true that things have stagnated over the past few years as club culture has expanded. Maybe the scene has become diluted with too many 'me too' partiers. People need to realize that they are a part of the party. If a party is lacking in vibe they can either complain about it or act to change it. It is amazing what effect one person can have on a room.
    At the same time I have been feeling like things are getting back that sense of freshness latley. 2002 appears to be off to a good start. There have been lots of smaller events, a growing warehouse party circut and now a big party that isn't reliant on corporate sponsorship. Perfect! This is going to be one to remember- I can't wait.

    Perdue
     

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