Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by smile, Feb 25, 2002.
what do i need to do?
i hate it here.
talk to metal morphosis
get on a bus and head west
I know some people in Vancouver. They hate the state of the party scene, and how the nights end really early. They are green with envy for Toronto and Montreal.
<------ Green with Envy
i'm also contemplating a move to the west coast.
it'll be a big sacrifice party-wise, but i'm sure snowboarding in the rockies will be an alright consolation
i see I'm not the only one debating the move out west.....
2 of my best friends already moved out there..... and another 2 moved so far west they ended up in the east teaching english in japan.... while I'm still stuck in toronto with no clear direction.....
The one time ive been out to Vancouver..i liked it. Its a beautifull city on the edge of the Rockies...and come on now...its hard to have an ugly city with that kind of backdrop. Life out there is a little different though. Im not sure if "laid back" is the right term for it..but life there definitely isnt the torrid pace it is here.
Personally..thats where it falters for me. Im USED to this pace..and have grown to enjoy Toronto life..and as beautifull as BC (Vancouver is all ive seen) is...its just not my thang..but good luck there! Watch out for Hastings! (I think thats the name...?)
quick geography lesson: the Canadian Rockies are in Alberta
I lived in Vancouver for a a coupla years and I found it very boring, but I am city person all the way. If you like the outdoors, are active, and don't mind sacrificing an urban lifestyle, you will like Vancouver.
Quick Geography lesson..Alberta shares the Rockies with BC...tell me again who needs the lesson.
um, you do...as you can see in that map, most of the Canadian Rockies are in Alberta and Eastern BC, and Vancouver is not on the "edge" of the Rockies. That's like saying Winnipeg is a suburb of Toronto.
You can post another map I guess, but it won't bring Vancouver any closer to the Rockies, because Vancouver is nowhere near the Rockies. The city is at the foot of the Coast Mountains.
hope this helps!
Let's correct that. I used to live in the Rockies of British Columbia and no, the Canadian Rockies were NOT just in Alberta and no, Vancouver is not near the Rocky Mountains...
I lived in Revelstoke (Grizzly Country) which is 20km outside Roger's Pass along the TransCanada Hwy. Roger's Pass gets the most average snowfall in Canada (snow over here is a joke, you guys haven't seen snow...).
Revelstoke was voted as one of the 10 top places in North America for outdoor recreation activities.
I miss it dearly...
The fishing, the camping, the snowmobiling, the skiing, the swimming, the hiking, the water (!), the mountains....*sigh*
But I do visit almost once a year so I don't feel that down...
Sacrificing the 'urban lifestyle'?? LOL!!
If you like Toronto and the city high-life here, don't move. You will be in for a shocker. Vancouver isn't as big as Toronto (obviously) and if you're expecting to see a simularity to Toronto, you won't (other than it's a city).
Most of BC is like going back in time 10-15 years in some places (especially some of the smaller towns).
Most people joke about Vancouver being "Hong"-couver because the high population of Asians.
And if you thought traffic was bad here.......Vancouver is plauged with traffic problems.
Vancouver is totally different from the rest of BC however.
My suggestion is don't go to Van.
Go to the Okanogan Valley (Kelowna, Pentiction, etc). it's awesome there!
And go in the summer...when you can mountain bike and hike around....you'll absolutely love it!
I'd agree with that. Don't go to vancouver. It's a small snobbish city that has all the same problems as Toronto, with none of the (verry few) benefits. (exept that nature is ony a few minutes drive away, wich quite possibly is benefit enough)
I'd also have to say that it's boring because it's one big suburb. Not only that, but it's a rich suburb. And the busses to most places stop running at 1:00... Shitty...
And, I've found that Vancouver has a really cracked out subculture that is quite repressed, but quite obvious if you know what to look for. And, I'd say quite scary too.
But, BC is an awsome place to be, and the people there can be really nice/interesting. And, if you don't mind the rain, it's really better for the soul to be out there. But i'd reccomend somewhere other then Vancouver for sure.
Oh, and the party scene there does feel a bit behind what it is here... Or at least it's much smaller. But then... there is no party scene here, so at least there you can find one (sort of).
But... I'm not verry impressed with it myself. It can be really cracked out, and there's a lot of promoters who don't know what they're doing, and there are promoters who sabotage other promoters, and the cops have a habit of cracking down... messy...
At the same time, (exept for a few super snobs) the people are nicer. And the small party and goa scene (around Vancouver anyways) is awsome. Field/forest parties all summer. Can't beat that.
I've spent alot of time in Revelstoke. It's a great town. I've worked at Downie Street Timbermill and Vic Van Isle Construction (Lortap shop). I've been drunk at Dapper Dans and The Rock Pit. I've skiied Mount Mackenzie.
A friend of mine is living there in a trailer with his girlfriend at the moment.
I agree that the Okanagan is good though.
I am moving to Whistler in August and still looking for a roommate... Care to join me?
Well youre right..Vancouver isnt near the "edge of the Rockies" - my mistake...but it certainly isnt just in Alberta there smartass...a simple "Vancouver is not near the the Rockies..those are other mouintains" would have done just fine...
^^^^^ SO JEALOUS!!!
Vancouver is beautiful, I went to visit my best friend out there last June. It is a relaxing city and the mountains are absolutely breathtaking. Ever since I traveled there, I thought i wanted to live there someday. I have lived in T.O. all my life and Toronto is just a place that is like no other. My friends that moved out there absolutely love it! BUT you have to be a certain type of person to live out there, there are some sacrifices. There is a scarce party scene which has allready been mentioned. I went to 2 bars and one closed @ 1 am and the other closed @ 12 ( i was not used to that seeing as bars here close at like 4 or so). Basically, do it, go if you want at least try it. The mountains alone make it worth it.
speaking of west coast,
I just got back form LA. got a nice tan , went to disney land and was told that mometh and big bear are about an hour away! What a great atmosphere. I spend my summers in NJ (10 minutes from times square, NYC) and people in the city are rather bitchy in comparison to west costers'. Good music scene and great skate culture (always a plus).
Warm weather, Good snow, Nice people, great music.
No wonder it becomes harder and harder for me to leave every time I'm over there!
But I could never leave you guys.
I lived in Vancouver a while. These were my thoughts.
I drove there. When I arrived, I thought, "Shit... this is a real city", having previously had the mentality that it was just some type of Ottawa-ish sized blob of isolation out west. It *did* remind me a lot of Toronto in that it did have a bustling downtown core and a city feel to it. So you nay sayers who are calling it a hick town or small... that's misleading.
Also misleading is that people in Vancouver are 'jealous' of us in Toronto. Hehehe. Nothing could be further from the truth. Plenty of them refer to us as 'Onterrible"; they as well distinguish between the 'east' coast and the 'best' coast.
I commuted from downtown vancouver (beach ave) to Burnaby (PMCSierra) every day. Sure the traffic was hellish (had to drive down Broadway) and the commute took about 30 minutes.. but wait... I also commuted from downtown Toronto (church&wellesley) to 401&DVP (about same distance) and that also took 30 minutes. So... Overall I would say traffic in TO is much worse just because it is a larger city. Vancouer -seems- worse because it has fewer large expressways.
Vancouver is obviously much more beautiful than Toronto, hands down. Toronto smells really bad, and aside from Toronto island has zero greenspace (hehe... except those dilapitated 'parks' which are really just Toronto's version of homeless shelters). Really, why does Toronto stink like garbage all the time? Is there no other way to collect those garbage bags downtown?
We don't need to mention that Toronto's weather sucks too.
Recreationally, there is also much more to do in Vancouver, it's geography and climate considered. Culturally there are still many options though they are scaled down compared to Toronto due to population size; ethnically I'd say Vancouver's diversity is on par with Toronto albeit with different flavours. (hello, sushi lover's paradise... they have more sushi bars than we have tim hortons, and its CHEAP and FRESH)
Yes, Vancouver is smaller, but that makes it more manageable. You can traverse the downtown in a 20-25 minute walk. In theory this makes your clubbing options fewer, but seriously, most people in Toronto tend to cling to one or two cliquey places and loft them up to divine status. (ahem tribe and system, limelight) There is a club to match any flavour of club in TO, with the notable exception of a superclub like guverment. They also have clubs which are not paralleled in TO, clubs that take good advantage of the year long balmy weather and have significant outdoors portions, or naked gogo dancers (<- this was fun), fetish nights, and there is -always- weed.. in short they are a lot less stuck up, much more laid back.
There aren't late night clubs, which sucks, but this is in part because Vancouver actually -does- have a thriving underground scene (unlike TO). It took a while to find how and where these parties operate but anyone who spends a few weeks looking will find them.
Toronto's 'rave' scene is at about where Vancouver was 2 years ago. All the parties then were forced into larger, more expensive venues and ticket prices were up around the $30-$40 pricerange due to limitations imposed by the city, and popularity was dwindling. But because there is a large Vancouer population who actually -live- downtown, it facilitated the resurrection of underground after hours parties. I don't know anything about the evolution of this aspect of the vancouver scene since then.
The people there are less stressed out about dumb crap, and actually have lives. This was a big plus. Mostly they were easy going, interesting people. A lot of the younger people are ex-onterribles who moved west without a plan, opened a fallafel store in Kits and smoke weed. It's like if Subsonic Chronic opened a veggie fast food joint with no front door.
Toronto strip clubs are better because you can lay on the stage.
Toronto <--> Vancouver
New York <--> San Francisco
was an oft made analogy, and one that holds I think
(though I've never lived in/near NY)
(and Vancouver is much more beautiful than SF)
Overall I say go for it. The cities are different and comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges.
wow, thanks guys!
i don't really care about a thriving club scene, because i stopped partying hard like 2 years ago anyways, and all i like to do is chill and smoke weed.....sounds like the perfect place for me! i probably wouldn't be moving to Van anyways, i'd probably start out in Whistler and see where it went from there. shann, i'd go with you, but i'm stuck in school until at least October....sorry!
special thanks go out to Jeffsus....that was a great post, man!
I was born in Victoria and grew up in Vancouver (well, Tsawassen)...
.... I miss it out there SO much!
smile - if you have ICQ, add me 5241742
there is a possibility of me not leaving until the end of October. I dont know if I will have all the $$ I need by August.
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