Christian Rock and Pop.

Discussion in 'TRIBE Main Forum' started by coleridge, Mar 7, 2002.

  1. coleridge

    coleridge TRIBE Member

    I watched this documentary on Christian pop/rock last night on the CBC. Anybody else see it?

    It was one of the most disturbing things I've seen in a while. Hardcore christian evangilists/missionaries have created a massive industry in Christian pop music designed to lure teenagers into becoming devoted followers. They drive a machine that repackages the mainstream pop ideas that appeal to teenagers into a well calculated christian propoganda tool. Not only is the music created to make lots of money but it's also created to expressly manipulate youth. That in my mind contridicts the very nature of free thought that real music should be. While bubble-gum pop exists soley to create money for record labels, bubble-gum christian pop goes that moral step further downwards in creating music to "brainwash" as well.

    All through the documentary they showed images and interviews that were very disturbing. Evangilists that talk about their goals of converting the majority of world youth into Christians through the use of Christian pop music. If they can covert the youth now, they can change world leards of tomorrow. The documentary showed evangilists that throw huge shows that lure in kids by offering them the Chrisitian bands, but then shut the bands down early for their sermons. They talk about "save percentage", the number of kids they can get to commit to becoming Christians at each show. The evangilists prey on the teenagers using the loneliness and insecurities they all feel. Teenagers are taught to make decisions based on the chruch collective, not decisions based on their own free thought. The whole thing comes across as a very originized, very disciplined cult.

    The whole way through the show I couldn't stop thinking that if these exact same tactics were being used to promote the Muslim religion amongst youth there would be a massive outcry and it wouldn't last long.
     
  2. stir-fry

    stir-fry TRIBE Member

    OH GOD, NOT ANOTHER RELIGIOUS THREAD!


    btw, i've heard that creed are a christian rock band.
     
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  4. poker face

    poker face TRIBE Member

    P.O.D

    I was surprised that these guys are christian rock band!
     
  5. The Watcher

    The Watcher TRIBE Member

    Are we really at the point where we need Organized Religion? I myself dont believe in it, nor do I believe the General Population needs it.

    I will never be part of this monstrous brainwash scam, I've learned long ago that I dont need to believe in some greater power to experience enlightenment. That comes from within, not from some charismatic preacher.

    You are your own god, believe in yourself...

    It made me sick to my stomach when I saw that show last night, to come to the realization that many sheep exist. A whole stadium of youths in a group prayer. Some Preacher telling them what to believe in...

    Ba'a'a'a, Sheep, all Sheep!

    -Nickers - I am my god, you are your god, he is his god, she is her god
     
  6. Cheeka

    Cheeka TRIBE Member

    who sings "what if God was one of us"

    a friend of mine at uni bought the album when that song came out thinking it was kind grungy - and the entire album was full on jesus rock.

    there is some church songs I like though from back in the day.
    "on eagles wings" is a good one :D.
     
  7. The Kid

    The Kid TRIBE Member

    I think organized religion is a good thing, they're trying to instill morals and values that aren't being taught at home anymore because so many parents are too busy to bother.

    I'm not crazy about christian rock, but christian hip-hop is ill, yo! You'd be surprised how many words rhyme with "jesus"...
     
  8. Lil'Timmy

    Lil'Timmy TRIBE Promoter

    Creed is a religious Rock band, so is P.O.D. They're in pretty heavy rotation on radio, but there's never any mention them being church-goers, gee wonder why?

    Oh yeah, and the woman (like I'd remember ) who sang "One of us" isn't going for the hardcore religion angle, she just happens to mention God...then again, what do I know anyway. :p
     
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    Dr. Evil
     
  10. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    in my opinion, organized religion is the backbone of what is wrong with the world. :mad:

    christian pop, rock, even punk :eek: is scarey. i don't listen to bands that push that shit, especially fuckers like Live. and you'd be surprised...event that stupid 'sixpence none the richer' band that did the theme for a teeny bopper movie a couple of months ago was christian rock fuckers.

    i caught like two minutes of that show. only saw a real ugly punk girl witha mohawk screaming 'my god is a just god' into the mike and a shot of some jesus tattoos before i changed the channel.

    free your minds!!!!
    you must take sole moral responsibilities for your decisions and actions!!!! the 'will of god' is an excuse for the weak and stupid.
     
  11. Rosey

    Rosey TRIBE Member

    it was joan osborne. and i actually liked the song because it went in the face of the religious right (who tired to have it banned). apparently the idea of god being one of us (i.e. fallible) was sacrilige.

    mmmmm sacrilicious :D
     
  12. Hi i'm God

    Hi i'm God TRIBE Member

    DO MY WILL OR DIE FUCKERS!!!! Tribe peeps get a "Get out of Purgatory free card"!!
     
  13. Jeremy Jive

    Jeremy Jive TRIBE Member

    [​IMG]
    They get more airplay on Edge 102 than anyone else.

    jeremy -holy rollin bible thumpin- jive
     
  14. Cheeka

    Cheeka TRIBE Member

    but wasn't jesus one of us??

    oh those crazy christians :D
     
  15. stir-fry

    stir-fry TRIBE Member

    taken from the creed site FAQ.
    seems as if creed, like all christian organizations, like to dance around the answer


    Is Creed a Christian band?
    "Are we a Christian band? This is a question we are asked a lot because of some of the references made in the lyrics. No, we are not a Christian band. A Christian band has an agenda to lead others to believe in their specific religious beliefs. We have no agenda! Those references were made at a time in my life when I was questioning how I was raised, and searching for where I stood concerning those issues. This is not to say I have abandoned those beliefs, just searching for where they fit into my life." -- Scott Stapp



    Are the members of Creed Christians?
    "This is a very personal question because the whole foundation of being a Christian is a personal relationship. I can say that all the members believe in God, but we each differ on our methods to reach Him. We are all still learning and growing, and God can only answer this question, because who are we to say that being a Christian is the only way to heaven. I know this might be hard to understand for all the Christians who follow the band--and trust me, I know where you are coming from--but let us continue to seek, and if that is the way, then we will find, if we continue to knock, the doors will be opened." -- Scott Stapp
     
  16. Adam Duke

    Adam Duke TRIBE Member

    Hey coleridge! You could market yourself as the first 'Christian Progressive' dj....you know, throw in all sorts of vocally bible versus and the like. It'd be interesting to see what the System crowd would do with that...
    I'm sure someone would be tying two glowsticks together to form a cross in no time!

    @m.
     
  17. The Watcher

    The Watcher TRIBE Member

    You dont need Religion to instill Morals, Honor, Self Esteem.

    I think it is immoral to trick people to believe in something that is insubstantial, are they not tricking people into believing in something that does not exist

    Maybe I'll become a preacher... would that make me a hypocrite? I want people to believe in something that does exist. To do things because they should, not because someone tells you they should.

    Meh... Maybe I'll shut up now.

    -Nickers
     
  18. Jeremy Jive

    Jeremy Jive TRIBE Member

    [​IMG]

    jeremy -sing with me- jive
     
  19. MBoy

    MBoy TRIBE Member

    Christian Ska is an old love of mine.

    "welcome to canada... it's the maple leaf state"

    Oh five iron frenzy... where are you now?

    -Duncan
     
  20. SlipperyPete

    SlipperyPete TRIBE Member

    yo yo

    i loves my jesus
    i grabs my pee-nus
    grab a room
    at the 4 sea-sons

    yeah yeah
    jesus is fresh you SUCKAS!!!
     
  21. twist

    twist TRIBE Member

    all I know is Satan sucks a mean cock. pffft did anyone really think the devil was a guy?
     
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  23. Ditto Much

    Ditto Much TRIBE Member

    I still want to know how exactly satan got associated with Rock and Roll in the first place.


    Far as christian music.

    Yup its pretty evil that they're trying to brainwash kids, that they're trying to associate numbers with the health of a philosphoical belief is even more revolting.


    But is arguing that its wrong not the same as arguing that gangsta rap increases murders.



    (please don't judge a religion by its most vocal members, normally they're completely nuts)
     
  24. R4V4G3D_SKU11S

    R4V4G3D_SKU11S TRIBE Member


    [sarcasm] I don't need organized religion, so why should anyone else [/sarcasm]

    Everyone has a foundation that they use to formulate a view of the world, others and themselves. For example, if I remember, you use the ideology of karma. I personally think the idea of a cosmic right/wrong balance/force is hokey new age crap. However all that means is that I myself won't use it. Yet I would never tell you that you shouldn't need it.

    I find it funny how you talk about how people should be doing things because they want to, not because someone tells them to. Yet you're trying to tell people that they shouldn't need organized religion.
    You are not that person. How do you know that they've been "tricked". They were tricked just as much as you were into karma. They were presented with an ideology, and it made sense to THEM. So they chose that path. People seem to be so blindly cynical when it comes to organized religion. They think that if someone chooses to beleive in God, well then, hey, they MUST have been brainwashed. And that's a huge assumption fraught with bullshit.

    Religion is not about the search for one universal truth. It is the search for personal truth. If there was one religion that worked for everyone, then there would only be one religion. You can't just say that another religion is unnecesarry.

    And as far instilling morals, why is it wrong that they come from religion? No one is born with a set of morals. They have to come from somewhere. So it's okay that they come from parents, media and schools,etc, yet not from religion? What makes religion different?

    It seems as though people are making the ignorant assumption that all christian religions are brainwashing cults. Sure, there are extreme factions. But I don't see how Christian Pop falls into that category. Alot of people my age seem to have some sort of religion phobia, and when something that has a christian message is presented to them, they automaticaly assume that it is an attempt at brainwashing. They feel it is being "crammed down their throats". Yet they watch TV, advertisements, buy certain labels, etc, with no worries. I've always found it to be odd.

    And no, I do not belong to an organized religion.
     
  25. Adam Duke

    Adam Duke TRIBE Member

    ^^^ well said, dude.

    @m.
     

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