boxing making a come back?

[Dr. Grinch]

First 9 rounds of Pac v Cotto was an absolute war
10th and 11th felt like I was watching a marathon being run backwards
Lots of backpeddling. Like watching a wounded animal run.
Great fight overall though.
Felt that the conclusion was a little iffy. If anything that should have happened in the 9th round.

[redeyes]

Brian Kenny said that rounds 2, 3, and 4 are comparable to hagler/hearns and I agree with him. Pac started to really dominate by the 8th round, but prior to that, it was an absolute war. Cotto was actually winning the rounds 2 and 4 until the knockdowns came. Also, I agree, the fight should have been stopped earlier. Cotto's corner wanted to stop it in the 11th but Cotto refused. Cotto's wife and daughter actually left the arena in the 9th because they didn't want to witness any more of the carnage.

as a filipino and a huge boxing fan, nothing beats watching a Pacman fight with your entire family. last night, my mom was actually the loudest one in the room. when pac scored his first knockdown, everybody went crazy. i was thinking today that it is going to be sad day when Pac retires because my family won't have these types of occasions anymore. then my wife said that maybe another filipino fighter can take the place of Pac, my response was "there will never be a fighter like Pacquiao, EVER!!"

in terms of what's next for Pac, I wouldn't hold my breath for a Mayweather fight. Marquez deserves his revenge but this is not the Manny Pacquiao he fought in 2007. This new and improved Pacman at 140 pounds will send Marquez into retirement.

[toney]

Within 12 months he beat ODH / Hatton / Cotto .. and all by (T)KO.
Instead of a W beside his name he should had a D for Destroyed.

He's won titles in Flyweight through Welterweight and we all know he could win at 154lbs but maybe too much risk... He truly is a once in a lifetime fighter and as great of a boxer he is , he seems to be a better person. Im amazed how easily he banged up Cotto who looked just as bad after the Marg fight. Cotto really needs to consider family life - i think he served his time in the ring well and will obviously be inducted to the HOF but I dont think he will recapture his former greatness and just like rounds 8-12 he will take unwarranted punishment.

As for Pac - we all are dreaming of the Mayweather fight but we may have to settle for the Berto / Mosley winner ; Which will still be an amazing night .. It always is when Pac laces them up.

[redeyes]

yo toney

remember the image HBO showed on Saturday night of Margarito's hands after the Cotto fight (try to remember, we were both hammered). something seems a little fishy. first, it was obvious that the image was digitally enhanced. but maybe it was because HBO wanted to give the audience a clearer picture. secondly, after all this time, why was it only brought to the public's attention now, the fight happened last year. I'm sure somebody would've noticed by now especially after all the speculation surrounding marg/cotto.

I think the image was bogus. HBO wanted to discredit Cotto's loss on the eve of the biggest fight of the year. I'm not saying that Marg did not cheat, but I sketical of the "proof" presented by HBO.

but if the images were legit, as I said on Saturday, your handwraps should never rip or tear. that is exactly what the images portrayed. if that's the case, then Marg was definately cheating.

Thoughts??

[redeyes]

Making History, Breaking Records | The National Fist

watch the video. it almost bring a tear to my eye.

[toney]

^^

I rewatched the fight (a nice HD DL) ... well only rounds 1-8 and then I actually didn't feel like watching more because it's just too dominate of a performance and too many clean / hard shots landing on the defenseless Cotto. Pac was landing some serious punches even in round 11 and the stubborn Cotto just absorbing punishment and his inept corner not reacting ; did not add to the high drama seen during the first quater of the fight. I feel Cotto needed to be protected from himself by having the fight stopped, at least by the end of the 10th. His corner needed to take action and they failed him.

With the Marg controversay - HBO now showing a crack in the taped hands of Marg after the Cotto fight. This almost illustrates plaster solution in the gloves hardening during the course of the fight when water / sweat was mixed with the concrete powder (which was confirmed in the Mosley hearings) and then the hardened tape actually cracked assumingly when he connected with Cotto's skull. That could be some serious evidence - especially in a Civil court where you only need to prove your case on a balance of probabilities. If someone came forward out of Marg's camp with more solid evidence, plus the fact Marg would have to testify at the trail, this tape could play a role in proving illegal wraps were used. The only evidence that can be thrown out of the window is Cotto saying 'I've never been banged up like that before' thanks to Pacman. But you're right, HBO is only now showing this tape after all the evidence was public record from the Mosley hearing. It seems like they are connecting the dots after the facts have been made public. Seems a little fishy.

The one thing that I can say with confidence is - nothing looks better than Mosley banging him up and watching him hit the ground.


PS - Vegas Jan 30 weekend - Friday-Sunday is only $500 for flight & Hotel + Mosley / Berto .. Let's do it up!

[kerouacdude]

Andre Ward - star making performance against Mikkel (Wha Wha) Kessler

[Subsonic Chronic]

Originally Posted by redeyes

as a filipino and a huge boxing fan, nothing beats watching a Pacman fight with your entire family. last night, my mom was actually the loudest one in the room. when pac scored his first knockdown, everybody went crazy. i was thinking today that it is going to be sad day when Pac retires because my family won't have these types of occasions anymore. then my wife said that maybe another filipino fighter can take the place of Pac, my response was "there will never be a fighter like Pacquiao, EVER!!"

Apparently it's more dangerous just to watch Pacquiao fight than it is to get in the ring with him!

Four Pacquiao Fans Die From Heart Attack While Watching Boxing Bout

Manila, Philippines (AHN) - Puerto Rican boxer Miguel Cotto is luckier than four fans of Manny Pacquiao despite losing his welterweight bout against the Filipino pugilist. The fans died from heart attack while watching the boxing bout on TV on Sunday.

In Butuan City, Concordio Paredes, 69, dropped dead while watching the second round of the Pacquiao-Cotto duel at an eatery.

In Batangas City, Cecilio Cabrera, 62, suffered a heart attack while watching the fight at a hotel. He was declared dead on arrival at a local hospital.

In Davao City, police officer Jose Paco, 59, finished watching the match before succumbing. He was also dead on arrival at a local hospital.

In Mabalacat, Pampanga, Abelardo Fernando, 70, suffered a heart attack after the seventh round. He was rushed to a hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival.

There were three other Pacquiao fans watching the fight in different parts of the Philippines when they suffered a cardiac arrest or stroke. But they all survived.

Four Pacquiao Fans Die From Heart Attack While Watching Boxing Bout | AHN

[toney]

Ward looked good .. It was more risky and he did more damage to the Dane than Calzaghe did ... but it was a similar game plan with a bit too much clinching. But Ward is entertaining even without the knockout punch in his arsenal. I look forward to him against King Abraham which is a very tough fight to predict. I did pick Ward to win last night as his performance against Miranda was equally impressive.

Also - My pick for the tomato can to win almost came true against Molitor ... I havn't seen the fight but I read he got dropped in the 5th and was in retreat mode for most of the last three rounds .. Thankfully it wasnt a 12 rounder. I really can't see him breaking into the top 5 in his division .. His knees would buckle from a stare down with RMarquez.

Marvin apparently also had a rough night ....

[redeyes]

Marvin had a really rough night. he received a gift draw imo. lopez landed way more clean punches, I was really impressed by his toughness. but this fight showed the Sonsona has one serious chin. I thought Lopez won 7-5, maybe even 8-4 in a great fight.

I was telling my pops about the fight, when a draw is announced, the guy who is celebrating should have lost; Sonsona was celebrating the decision.

[redeyes]

^^correction, the guys name is Hernandez, not Lopez.

[redeyes]

It has been a rough couple of weeks for boxing. Francisco Rodriguez died in a fight but at least some people got some of his organs. RIP.

Family grieves for fallen boxer Francisco Rodriguez but believes organ donation will keep his spirit alive - ESPN Chicago

And on the eve of the biggest fight of the year, the Pac/Cotto war, Z Gorres collapsed after winning a UD. He's out of a medically induced coma but still has a long, hard road in front of him. hopefully, he can recover and have a normal life one day.

Family grieves for fallen boxer Francisco Rodriguez but believes organ donation will keep his spirit alive - ESPN Chicago

[redeyes]

oops, the second link should be the following:

Z GORRES RECOVERY UPDATES

[toney]

Bute destroys Andrade in four and is certainly vindication for that 12th round 13 months ago in their first fight. Kellerman got it absolutely right when he addressed Bute's ring IQ to land that final liver shot. A shot that had andrade wincing in pain and unable to stand even though it was the final few seconds of the round and he would have had an additional minute to recover if he could just stand up. I am throughly impressed and if Bute could enter the Super 6 I would put him a favourite. He's quick enough to box and out punch Ward, he throws punches from all angles to break through Abraham's defence and elusive enough not to get hit when Abraham lets his hands go, and strong and quick enough with amazing foot work to hold the clumsy Froch at bay.

I may sound a little over hyping , but he made a Andrade hit the canvas twice in one round and counted him out. A prime Kessler didn't come close to this feat. Taylor needs to retire and Bute needs to enter the Super 6 .. if not maybe a catch weight fight with Dawson at 170.

Kerouac - I guess it was Johnson showing his age or having peaked too soon / too late when he fought Dawson because Bute would've been the ideal sparring partner after this performance.

[redeyes]

I just finished watching an amazing HBO documentary called "Assault in the Ring". It's the story of Luis Resto and Billy Collins. For those who don't know, Resto had the padding removed from his glove by his piece of shit trainer, Panama Lewis. This documentary also sheds some light in the Pryor/Arguello controversy.

Assault in the Ring HBO Video - Pacquiao Video

[toney]

^
I really liked that documentary .. The one thing that stood out was how Collins Sr. wanted to sue everyone and to be successful in court Jr. could not accept any other fights and put his entire life and career on hold as it went through the slow process of litigation. His career was completely stunted and he fell into deep depression and alcohol .. etc. Eventually he is killed in a MVA and all Claims are thrown out of court. The amount they were looking for was in the 100 millions of dollars.. Its a tragic and to some extent cowardly ending.. especially since we know how tough he was absorbing such punishment over those rounds.

Then we have Resto who served time in prison for his part and never fought again as a pro .. his life was basically ruined. He lost the only thing he could do and became a outcast from his family and the sport. You can see him being such a weak willed individual and no match against the cunning of Panama Lewis. Panama fully takes advantage of every person/situation and refuses to blink or have any moral dignity. He shows no sign of guilt or responsibility. The funny thing is he will talk .. provided he's paid. Thankfully he too served time and his career was stunted... And although he still makes a reasonable living in the sport there is some justice in the end knowing he will never achieve the full glory and 10% of working a corner. And the record will show what type of person he truly is... A cold blooded bastard.

Another good Documentary this year was the training camps of Ali / Holmes before their big fight .. Ali is so slow and so slurrred that it's amazing how this fight ever occurred.. I know hindsight is 20/20 but Ali taking a full second break between words .. this is the mouth from the south .. he used to throw words out like left jabs. How a neurologist passed his medical is absurd. Then the other side of the ring we get Holmes who wins the title and is practically demonized for the next 20 years .. One of the best Champs of the past 50 years really got dissed for things he had no control over... Angelo Dundee should've had the courage to stop that fight before it begun .. or at least once they knew Holmes was winning without contest.

[Dr. Grinch]

Manny Vs. Mayweather
March 13th

Adviser: Pacquiao likely to fight Mayweather on March 13

PLEASE let this come true.
PBF needs a dose of broken face to shut him the fuck up.

[redeyes]

^^things are looking good. Apparently, PBF agreed to a deal and Bob Arum flew to the Philippines to present the offer to Pac. Pac agreed with only a few minor adjustments. Im really interested to hear the terms. I think a 50/50 split and fighting at 147 is more thank fair.

in response to Toney, Panama Lewis is the worst character that boxing has ever seen, and says a lot!! He makes Don King look like a saint. DON KING!!
I had no idea that Panama was still involved with some big time fighters like Zab Judah. I thought he was training guys in Puerto Rico or something like that. Panama is so cold-hearted, it's not even funny. He doesn't feel one bit of remorse for what he did. At least Resto is sorry for his part in the matter. The other part that blew my mind in the documentary is that the gloves was only the tip of the iceberg. In addition to the gloves, Resto had plaster underneath the wraps, and he was jacked up on asmatha medication which gave him energy. After watching the beating that Collins took, I'm suprised he didn't die in the ring. That fate would have probably been more merciful than what Collins endured over the last nine months of his life.

[redeyes]

according to this source, PBF wants the fight to be at 154 pounds and he also wants Pac to use 10 ounce pillows oppossed to his usual 8 ounce gloves. for fuck's sake, this is ridiculous. Floyd is clearly the larger man, asking Pac to move up in weight and use the larger gloves in a major pussy manuveur, if this is true.

Obstacles to Manny vs 'Money': weight, gloves, and more

[kerouacdude]

some decent names fighting today
in the late aft Amir Khan-Salita and Marco Huck-Olafabi should be on the internet somewhere, Paul Williams-Sergio Martinez on HBO Canada tonite...Martinez is tricky but he doesn't throw enough punches i think to win the fight. Cris Arreola on the undercard.

[Musical Rush]

Originally Posted by redeyes

according to this source, PBF wants the fight to be at 154 pounds and he also wants Pac to use 10 ounce pillows oppossed to his usual 8 ounce gloves. for fuck's sake, this is ridiculous. Floyd is clearly the larger man, asking Pac to move up in weight and use the larger gloves in a major pussy manuveur, if this is true.

Obstacles to Manny vs 'Money': weight, gloves, and more

Maybe pretty bitch Floyd will agree to "Ok, 147, 8oz gloves, but I get to wear a rib cage, and a football helmet, or I won't fight".

[toney]

Paul Williams-Sergio Martinez was good stuff!
Sergio didnt take command of the fight after the first 1/4 when he was was winning big. He was still landing the harder shots just not the volume of Paul Williams... there was a score card 119 - 110 in favour of Williams and it's just absurd. But certainly not corruption - if you were on the take you would make it 115-113.

Good clean fight with Williams barely escaping the majority decision.

Khan - quick kill

The upset of the weekend was Precott getting outboxed for 12 rounds. The same game who drilled Khan into the canvas got a lesson from a fellow brit.

[kerouacdude]

don't really consider it that big an upset coz he lost his last fight - like my brother said, Prescott is world class - for 2 rounds. If the guy's still standing after that, he doesn't have a clue.

I didn't expect PWill-Sergio to be such a great fight

tons of fight this week
Fri - Jean Pascal-Adrian Diaconu 2
Sat Vitaly Klitchkso-Kevin Johnson, Juan Diaz-Paul Malignaggi, Tim Bradley-Lamont Peterson

[toney]

^
Upset of the weekend still applies


Picks this weekend:
Pascal - W KO 9 - I have a feeling the shark is down and out. Pascal has entered the LHW division and will punish the one dimensional Diaconu.
Diaz over Paulie - Hopefully this time it's a clear cut win.
Bradley - Peterson - Im just looking forward to a nice clean fight. Both guys are very likeable and have tremendous skill. This fight should end up in my DVD collection!

[kerouacdude]

true enough!

Diaz looks like a guy who should take about 18 mths off and see if he still wants to pursue this for a living...and only at 135 pounds, he ain't no jr welter. Hell, i've always though that guy could be 130 for the right payday.