My New Favourite Conspiracy Theory

DaPhatConductor · 08-12-2009, 04:06 PM

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...ge=haught_29_5

A French Revelation, or The Burning Bush
JAMES A. HAUGHT

Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse.

Honest. This isn’t a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God.

Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”

This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”

After the 2003 call, the puzzled French leader didn’t comply with Bush’s request. Instead, his staff asked Thomas Romer, a theologian at the University of Lausanne, to analyze the weird appeal. Dr. Romer explained that the Old Testament book of Ezekiel contains two chapters (38 and 39) in which God rages against Gog and Magog, sinister and mysterious forces menacing Israel. Jehovah vows to smite them savagely, to “turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws,” and slaughter them ruthlessly. In the New Testament, the mystical book of Revelation envisions Gog and Magog gathering nations for battle, “and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.”

In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush’s strange behavior in Lausanne University’s review, Allez Savoir. A French-language Swiss newspaper, Le Matin Dimanche, printed a sarcastic account titled: “When President George W. Bush Saw the Prophesies of the Bible Coming to Pass.” France’s La Liberte likewise spoofed it under the headline “A Small Scoop on Bush, Chirac, God, Gog and Magog.” But other news media missed the amazing report.

Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon.

Oddly, mainstream media are ignoring this alarming revelation that Bush may have been half-cracked when he started his Iraq war. My own paper, The Charleston Gazette in West Virginia, is the only U.S. newspaper to report it so far. Canada’s Toronto Star recounted the story, calling it a “stranger-than-fiction disclosure … which suggests that apocalyptic fervor may have held sway within the walls of the White House.” Fortunately, online commentary sites are spreading the news, filling the press void.

The French revelation jibes with other known aspects of Bush’s renowned evangelical certitude. For example, a few months after his phone call to Chirac, Bush attended a 2003 summit in Egypt. The Palestinian foreign minister later said the American president told him he was “on a mission from God” to defeat Iraq. At that time, the White House called this claim “absurd.”

Recently, GQ magazine revealed that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld attached warlike Bible verses and Iraq battle photos to war reports he hand-delivered to Bush. One declared: “Put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground.”

It’s awkward to say openly, but now-departed President Bush is a religious crackpot, an ex-drunk of small intellect who “got saved.” He never should have been entrusted with the power to start wars.

For six years, Americans really haven’t known why he launched the unnecessary Iraq attack. Official pretexts turned out to be baseless. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction after all, and wasn’t in league with terrorists, as the White House alleged. Collapse of his asserted reasons led to speculation about hidden motives: Was the invasion loosed to gain control of Iraq’s oil—or to protect Israel—or to complete Bush’s father’s vendetta against the late dictator Saddam Hussein? Nobody ever found an answer.

Now, added to the other suspicions, comes the goofy possibility that abstruse, supernatural, idiotic, laughable Bible prophecies were a factor. This casts an ominous pall over the needless war that has killed more than four thousand young Americans and cost U.S. taxpayers perhaps $1 trillion.

James A. Haught is the editor of the Charleston Gazette (West Virginia) and a Free Inquiry senior editor.

Colm · 08-12-2009, 04:30 PM

ancient

DaPhatConductor · 08-12-2009, 04:48 PM

sorry... i've had better things to do with my summer than spend it all on the internet.

i humbly apologize and will spend the rest of the nice weather scouring the net for everything you might have read already in order to refrain from posting it.

Colm · 08-12-2009, 05:08 PM

touchy, touchy, touchy.

Okay, I'll try:

9/11 planes go boom bushitler wtc 7 freedom fries.

Better?

praktik · 08-12-2009, 05:16 PM

well it does certainly point to something - but I'm not sure it's so compatible with the theories of Bush undergirding 9/11 conspiracy theory.

There Bush is considered to be alternatively: obsessed with mideast oil, a masonic cult obsessed dude ( SKULL AND BONES GUY!! SKULL AND BONES!) etc

This shows bush to be motivated by what he thought were good, religiously motivated reasons, and I'm not sure how well that fits with killing 3000 fellow citizens.

praktik · 08-12-2009, 05:26 PM

anyway, interesting but I look forward to more corroboration on this specific quote, but here's an interesting collection of data:

More on Gog and Magog

Bush says he was told by God to invade Iraq

A prominent Dutch politician, Ben Bot, who was minister of foreign affairs from 2003 until 2007, has said almost exactly the same thing, also on camera. BTW, he's also a christian.

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

Blackwater CEO motivated by God and holy war

And back to Bush to end it, no link, but from a swede who saw this on TV:

The Swedish PM at that time (Göran Persson) is on camera telling the following story:

"Bush is a politician who expresses himself in terms of having a [religious] mission. And I also think that he believes that he has a mission. A leading European politician that I recently spoke to regarding Bush and the Iraq war, told me a story about this. This was before they attacked. It was just some weeks before. And this European says to Bush: 'Are you certain that it is right to start this war? We are determined opponents to this war, how can you be so sure that it is right?'
And Bush says 'I know it is right'.
'But how can you know it is right?'.
'God has told me', Bush says."

It should be noted that Persson considers himself a practising Christian.

DaPhatConductor · 08-12-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by praktik

well it does certainly point to something - but I'm not sure it's so compatible with the theories of Bush undergirding 9/11 conspiracy theory.

There Bush is considered to be alternatively: obsessed with mideast oil, a masonic cult obsessed dude ( SKULL AND BONES GUY!! SKULL AND BONES!) etc

This shows bush to be motivated by what he thought were good, religiously motivated reasons, and I'm not sure how well that fits with killing 3000 fellow citizens.

if i were going to destroy the wtc in order to bring about the NWO and massive wars etc... i probably wouldn't tell bush

i'd let him believe what he wanted and just go about my day...

basilisk · 08-12-2009, 06:07 PM

Bush has teh r3ligun? This is news?

08-12-2009, 04:06 PM	#1
DaPhatConductor Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the phatcave Posts: 5,740	My New Favourite Conspiracy Theory http://www.secularhumanism.org/index...ge=haught_29_5 A French Revelation, or The Burning Bush JAMES A. HAUGHT Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible’s satanic agents of the Apocalypse. Honest. This isn’t a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God. Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East…. The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled…. This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.” This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.” After the 2003 call, the puzzled French leader didn’t comply with Bush’s request. Instead, his staff asked Thomas Romer, a theologian at the University of Lausanne, to analyze the weird appeal. Dr. Romer explained that the Old Testament book of Ezekiel contains two chapters (38 and 39) in which God rages against Gog and Magog, sinister and mysterious forces menacing Israel. Jehovah vows to smite them savagely, to “turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws,” and slaughter them ruthlessly. In the New Testament, the mystical book of Revelation envisions Gog and Magog gathering nations for battle, “and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.” In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush’s strange behavior in Lausanne University’s review, Allez Savoir. A French-language Swiss newspaper, Le Matin Dimanche, printed a sarcastic account titled: “When President George W. Bush Saw the Prophesies of the Bible Coming to Pass.” France’s La Liberte likewise spoofed it under the headline “A Small Scoop on Bush, Chirac, God, Gog and Magog.” But other news media missed the amazing report. Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon. Oddly, mainstream media are ignoring this alarming revelation that Bush may have been half-cracked when he started his Iraq war. My own paper, The Charleston Gazette in West Virginia, is the only U.S. newspaper to report it so far. Canada’s Toronto Star recounted the story, calling it a “stranger-than-fiction disclosure … which suggests that apocalyptic fervor may have held sway within the walls of the White House.” Fortunately, online commentary sites are spreading the news, filling the press void. The French revelation jibes with other known aspects of Bush’s renowned evangelical certitude. For example, a few months after his phone call to Chirac, Bush attended a 2003 summit in Egypt. The Palestinian foreign minister later said the American president told him he was “on a mission from God” to defeat Iraq. At that time, the White House called this claim “absurd.” Recently, GQ magazine revealed that former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld attached warlike Bible verses and Iraq battle photos to war reports he hand-delivered to Bush. One declared: “Put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground.” It’s awkward to say openly, but now-departed President Bush is a religious crackpot, an ex-drunk of small intellect who “got saved.” He never should have been entrusted with the power to start wars. For six years, Americans really haven’t known why he launched the unnecessary Iraq attack. Official pretexts turned out to be baseless. Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction after all, and wasn’t in league with terrorists, as the White House alleged. Collapse of his asserted reasons led to speculation about hidden motives: Was the invasion loosed to gain control of Iraq’s oil—or to protect Israel—or to complete Bush’s father’s vendetta against the late dictator Saddam Hussein? Nobody ever found an answer. Now, added to the other suspicions, comes the goofy possibility that abstruse, supernatural, idiotic, laughable Bible prophecies were a factor. This casts an ominous pall over the needless war that has killed more than four thousand young Americans and cost U.S. taxpayers perhaps $1 trillion. James A. Haught is the editor of the Charleston Gazette (West Virginia) and a Free Inquiry senior editor.

08-12-2009, 05:26 PM	#6
praktik Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Up ur nose and around the corner! Posts: 7,619	anyway, interesting but I look forward to more corroboration on this specific quote, but here's an interesting collection of data: More on Gog and Magog Bush says he was told by God to invade Iraq A prominent Dutch politician, Ben Bot, who was minister of foreign affairs from 2003 until 2007, has said almost exactly the same thing, also on camera. BTW, he's also a christian. According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." Blackwater CEO motivated by God and holy war And back to Bush to end it, no link, but from a swede who saw this on TV: The Swedish PM at that time (Göran Persson) is on camera telling the following story: "Bush is a politician who expresses himself in terms of having a [religious] mission. And I also think that he believes that he has a mission. A leading European politician that I recently spoke to regarding Bush and the Iraq war, told me a story about this. This was before they attacked. It was just some weeks before. And this European says to Bush: 'Are you certain that it is right to start this war? We are determined opponents to this war, how can you be so sure that it is right?' And Bush says 'I know it is right'. 'But how can you know it is right?'. 'God has told me', Bush says." It should be noted that Persson considers himself a practising Christian.

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08-12-2009, 04:30 PM	#2
Colm Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victorizla Posts: 4,995	ancient

08-12-2009, 04:48 PM	#3
DaPhatConductor Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the phatcave Posts: 5,740	sorry... i've had better things to do with my summer than spend it all on the internet. i humbly apologize and will spend the rest of the nice weather scouring the net for everything you might have read already in order to refrain from posting it.

08-12-2009, 05:08 PM	#4
Colm Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Victorizla Posts: 4,995	touchy, touchy, touchy. Okay, I'll try: 9/11 planes go boom bushitler wtc 7 freedom fries. Better?

08-12-2009, 05:16 PM	#5
praktik Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Up ur nose and around the corner! Posts: 7,619	well it does certainly point to something - but I'm not sure it's so compatible with the theories of Bush undergirding 9/11 conspiracy theory. There Bush is considered to be alternatively: obsessed with mideast oil, a masonic cult obsessed dude ( SKULL AND BONES GUY!! SKULL AND BONES!) etc This shows bush to be motivated by what he thought were good, religiously motivated reasons, and I'm not sure how well that fits with killing 3000 fellow citizens.

08-12-2009, 06:07 PM	#8
basilisk Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hasn't read the bill. :( Posts: 4,180	Bush has teh r3ligun? This is news?