Why you should get vaccinated (against infectious diseases)

[grumblegirl]

Had a conversation with a friend of mine about this on Monday...

We are pretty sure (and by that, I mean, the time-line works, so we're running with it, without any actual proof to support it) that microwaves and other electronic devices are to blame for everything.

Especially the increase in autism (cuz electrical impulses are what our brains are made of, so microwaves and tvs are probably scrambling it all), obesity (cuz it couldn't simply be that we all move a crapload less than we used to), and ADD (TV is way too much fun to be blamed, and our mass laziness can't possibly be a bad thing).

Baking is chemistry, and I like to bake, therefore I am a scientist. So you should all believe what I've written, as gospel truth. (I do love the irony of saying 'gospel' truth, yes I do.)

[Persephone]

Originally Posted by Hi i'm God

Here's something from the other side.

Vaccination Risk Awareness Network

And how would you rate the quality of that information? what factors did you consider in your decision?

[acheron]

Look I didn't want to bring this up because really, it's so obvious. Chemtrails. That's the problem here.

[praktik]

Originally Posted by acheron

Look I didn't want to bring this up because really, it's so obvious. Chemtrails. That's the problem here.

where's maphi when you need him??

Fairweather flake if you ask me...

[Wiseman]

have you read the bill?

[Lysistrata]

anything that happens before another thing happens is obviously the cause of that thing.

[praktik]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

have you read the bill?

I like that this has become a new tribe meme...

Let's not let this one fall by the wayside!

[Wiseman]

Originally Posted by Lysistrata

anything that happens before another thing happens is obviously the cause of that thing.

that's what she said!

[chooch]

Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

That site seems to have some bias. Hm.

everything has a bias!

[Flashy_McFlash]

Not me. 100% impartial.

[chooch]

Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

Not me. 100% impartial.

LOL...no you aren't! no one can claim that...especially in this thread!

[Flashy_McFlash]

I think we can all agree that I've been the most reasonable person in this thread. I mean, just because skyparty seems to have a problem with me not wanting Corky to let my precious off-leash shouldn't disqualify me.

[chooch]

I heard your dog was named...nevermind.

[Flashy_McFlash]

My dog is named Adjuvant.

[NemIsis]

Originally Posted by praktik

The common link between the 76 outbreak and this one is the 1918 epidemic that ravaged the world. Both share a common history that traces back to that earlier outbreak, after which point the people who lived through that and their direct descendants developed a natural immunity.

This is interesting. My father was born in 1919 (The Swine/Spanish flu lasted from 1918-1920). He had me late in life. I wonder if I have a natural immunity?

I also think I may have contracted it last summer when it took 3 different doses of anti-biotics to clear up the infection I got from, what I thought was, the worst flu ever. 103 degrees and I couldn't move for a week. My roomie took 4 days off of work after he got it and he rarely takes days off for being sick.

Doesn't matter though. I've developed bronchitis from the common cold. I'm getting it as soon as I can (and I'm not bumping in front of those who need it most). I'm a teacher, and part of my job is keeping my kids as safe from this as I possibly can.

I too would love a vaccine for strep.

[praktik]

Im sure there are outliers it is indeed possible you have it but in testing they found the presence of swine flu antibodies predominantly in people over 50.

[chooch]

Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

My dog is named Adjuvant.

awesome shits from that little pup, i'm sure. like to watch you clean up after him.

[Hi i'm God]

Originally Posted by Persephone

And how would you rate the quality of that information? what factors did you consider in your decision?

I don't know I just posted the link and glanced through that one article.

They posted links to where they were getting the their info from so I guess you could go through them.

[praktik]

Originally Posted by Flashy_McFlash

My dog is named Adjuvant.

Well gimme a ring some day and I'll introduce him to my little doggy named Squalene.

[praktik]

Originally Posted by Hi i'm God

I don't know I just posted the link and glanced through that one article.

They posted links to where they were getting the their info from so I guess you could go through them.

This is the problem with a lot of anti-vaxx literature and conspiracy-related materials that aren't centered on vaccines: there is oftentimes a veneer of credibility to the content and they list sources and footnote... As Hofstadter outlined in his classic essay:

A final characteristic of the paranoid style is related to the quality of its pedantry. One of the impressive things about paranoid literature is the contrast between its fantasied conclusions and the almost touching concern with factuality it invariably shows. It produces heroic strivings for evidence to prove that the unbelievable is the only thing that can be believed. Of course, there are highbrow, lowbrow, and middlebrow paranoids, as there are likely to be in any political tendency. But respectable paranoid literature not only starts from certain moral commitments that can indeed be justified but also carefully and all but obsessively accumulates :evidence.” The difference between this “evidence” and that commonly employed by others is that it seems less a means of entering into normal political controversy than a means of warding off the profane intrusion of the secular political world. The paranoid seems to have little expectation of actually convincing a hostile world, but he can accumulate evidence in order to protect his cherished convictions from it.
...
The higher paranoid scholarship is nothing if not coherent—in fact the paranoid mind is far more coherent than the real world. It is nothing if not scholarly in technique. McCarthy’s 96-page pamphlet, McCarthyism, contains no less than 313 footnote references, and Mr. Welch’s incredible assault on Eisenhower, The Politician, has one hundred pages of bibliography and notes. The entire right-wing movement of our time is a parade of experts, study groups, monographs, footnotes, and bibliographies. Sometimes the right-wing striving for scholarly depth and an inclusive world view has startling consequences: Mr. Welch, for example, has charged that the popularity of Arnold Toynbee’s historical work is the consequence of a plot on the part of Fabians, “Labour party bosses in England,” and various members of the Anglo-American “liberal establishment” to overshadow the much more truthful and illuminating work of Oswald Spengler.

As an example of this, in a debate on another board someone brought up a recent study that purported to demonstrate a link between vaccines and autism (now a link that is completely disproven by numerous studies) here is what he posted:

Proof That Thimerosal Induces Autism-Like Neurotoxicity

A new scientific study proves that the mercury-based compound used as vaccine preservative -- known as ‘thimerosal’ -- induces neural damage similar to that seen in autism patients.

According to the study, thimerosal-induced cellular damage caused concentration- and time-dependent mitochondrial damage, reduced oxidative-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death. Thimerosal at low concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells.

Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined.


Sources:

DProgram.net July 10, 2009

Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry June 4, 2009; 91(4): 735-749


here is the study

Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds

Authors: D. A. Geier a; P. G. King b; M. R. Geier c
Affiliations: a Institute of Chronic Illnesses, Inc., Maryland, USA
b CoMeD, Inc., Maryland, USA
c The Genetic Centers of America, Maryland, USA
DOI: 10.1080/02772240802246458
Publication Frequency: 8 issues per year
Published in: Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry, Volume 91, Issue 4 June 2009 , pages 735 - 749
First Published: June 2009
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Abstract
Thimerosal (ethylmercurithiosalicylic acid), an ethylmercury (EtHg)-releasing compound (49.55% mercury (Hg)), was used in a range of medical products for more than 70 years. Of particular recent concern, routine administering of Thimerosal-containing biologics/childhood vaccines have become significant sources of Hg exposure for some fetuses/infants. This study was undertaken to investigate cellular damage among in vitro human neuronal (SH-SY-5Y neuroblastoma and 1321N1 astrocytoma) and fetal (nontransformed) model systems using cell vitality assays and microscope-based digital image capture techniques to assess potential damage induced by Thimerosal and other metal compounds (aluminum (Al) sulfate, lead (Pb)(II) acetate, methylmercury (MeHg) hydroxide, and mercury (Hg)(II) chloride) where the cation was reported to exert adverse effects on developing cells. Thimerosal-associated cellular damage was also evaluated for similarity to pathophysiological findings observed in patients diagnosed with autistic disorders (ADs). Thimerosal-induced cellular damage as evidenced by concentration- and time-dependent mitochondrial damage, reduced oxidative-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death in the in vitro human neuronal and fetal model systems studied. Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined. Future studies need to be conducted to evaluate additional mechanisms underlying Thimerosal-induced cellular damage and assess potential co-exposures to other compounds that may increase or decrease Thimerosal-mediated toxicity.
Keywords: autism; glial; lead; mercury; mercuric; neurodevelopmental

Wow, seems authoritative!

But who funded this "study"? I found out that the study was funded by CoMeD, Inc, who you can find here: CoMeD

Hmmmm... "Mercury free drugs"....

Here are their VALUES:

Values
"We recognize that organic mercury-based compounds are a proven neurotoxic risk to susceptible men, women and children at levels below 1 part per billion (1 part in 1,000,000,000) [Parran et al 2005]."
We acknowledge the pain, suffering, and worth of all those who are directly and indirectly impacted by medicines containing all forms of organic and inorganic mercury.
We value the support of all persons, groups, and agencies who seek to reduce or remove the mercury currently added to our vaccines, serums, and other drugs.
We stand ready to serve and support those who, along with us, are engaged in this effort.
We believe that, together, we, the people, can remove mercury from our medicines.
We value the right of informed consent, and commit ourselves to requiring that this right is upheld whenever a mercury-containing drug is injected or administered to a patient at levels exceeding the applicable governmental (e.g., EPA, FDA, OSHA) regulatory safety guidelines, regulations, or statutes with the least permissible level of mercury exposure.

So, I am skeptical about the value of a CoMeD funded study - their values seem to go against the fundamentals of science: stating the point they wanna end up at before the research is done. Credible science is predicated on designing repeatable, well-designed methodologies to discover results, not designing methodologies to confirm results you already expect.

Oftentimes we will find anti-vaxxers appealing to the funding of studies: oh "Big Pharma" was behind this study so I can ignore it. If you're going to look at sources of funding you should also do that to studies that appear to support your position.

[groovespinna]

the chance of getting something and dying from reading this thread concerns me more than anything else right now.

[derek]

happy b-day jonas.

Jonas Salk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[rubytuesday]

I just got the shot, I went with my bf's nearly 9 months pregnant sister and her 2 year old. We got there at 2 (to line up) and were out by 4:30, there were about 100 people ahead of us. Now I just have to wait for the mind control to kick in.

[rubytuesday]

*waiting*

I hope I can at least learn to walk really cool.

[derek]

we control the horizontal.